whitey bolger, even more. no, absolutely, it's a possibility. but i don't -- you know, we are running down every lead, again, we're in other states looking at a variety of people, with the sbrenl intelligence that's been gathered in law enforcement. so i hope they're not out there that long, let's put it that way. >> and what about -- how do you think lenny -- i mean, tommy lee jones and "the fugitive," how did they know, did they have blueprints of the prison? how did they know where they had to cut to get out, to make that precision cut. how do they know this? >> that's the $1 million question. how do they know that? they're sitting in a tube. how do they make such a precision cut on that tube. i mean, that was -- was it somebody on the outside? is there others involved? others are being questioned, from what i understand, in the prison. i hope not, but i still say that there's a -- they certainly had some other help and it was plan "a." >> we'll go to the d.a., andrew riley, later in the show, to talk about what's going on with some other cor