we don't call white-on-white crime, white-on-white crime and there are two and a half times more white-on-whiteper year than black-on-black but we don't call it that. that is another discussion. to claim black folks talk too much about racism is like blaming mothers against drunk driving for not having a campaign to get you to wear your seat belt. >> right. >> both are good issues but the fact that more people are killed from not wearing their seat belt doesn't mean we don't deal with drunk driving. >> one doesn't negate the other. >> exactly. >> stand by. i want you to listen to something else president obama said in his very personal briefing yesterday about his daughters and how the younger generation looks at race. >> when i talk to malia and sasha, and i listen to their friends and i see them interact they're better than we are. they're better than we were on these issues. >> this guy is wondering at cnn how does our youngest generation, what do they think about race? are they color blind? do you really want to be color blind? don't answer that. or do they think the same way about the way

>> she wanted the white house. the political world, smoking in her living room and ruining her draperies. she wanted the white house as much as he did. she wanted to be the first lady of land. they are all dying for it. >> just one first lady i have known who did not is beth truman. there is no question about it. she did not like it and he could have run again even though they passed a law that you could not have two terms, seven years. fdr's unfinished term. he could have run again. he told me -- talking to presidents. [laughter] >> in your bedroom. >> he told me he did not think he should run again because of the law. in a sense, it was almost seven years. it was really bess truman. i have seen her at a party. i think it was a party reception to the club in march and talk to her briefly and was so sure he would not run again. she didn't. he spent a lot of time -- did not like the white house. >> nixon campaigned beside him throughout. i think she never really dreamed of being in the white house. >> she would shak

we have had all-white juries convict white people of killing blacks. the prosecutor has handled several cases. he put a white man on death row for killing black men. quite frankly, we have seen women treated more differently than men. but that doesn't mean you change your prosecution style. you always base your decision to charge on the evidence and the law. this was a case about the law, and we knew it was a tough case. it hinged on justifiable use of deadly force. and quite frankly, whether a person is white or black, male or female, when there is any arguably claim of justifiable use of deadly force, there is not an immediate arrest, because we don't want to start speedy trial. that is a legal concept. it has nothing to do with race. >> one of the things, mark, you said the other day is that a lot in a trial depends on a jury's ability to sympathize or understand a defendant or victim. i want to show you something that juror b-37 said to me yesterday. i was asking her about one of the witnesses, rachel jeantel, a friend of trayvon martin's. a lot of

i want to make this clear because i know white people get upset because i've been around white people my life and they say, oh, but black people get to use it, why can't i use it? if that's the only thing you have to complain about as a white person that you don't get to use that word, your life is pretty sweet. the reality is, the difference is history, the difference is there has never been a history where white folks used that word vis a vis black people as a form of endearment or another word for friend or buddy or, hey, let's get a burger at mcdonald's, my "n" word. i'm not saying that because i know all white people say it. those were my main friends as a kid. i didn't use that word. we didn't use that. and so the idea that white folks can use that word because, you know, it's okay, it's like the old third grade wisdom or even like -- not even third grade, like kindergarten, i can talk about my mama, but you cannot talk about my mama. that's the difference. >> tim, i love it when you come on because you never say how you really feel. >> never. >> ever, never. all right. stick ar

we have had all-white juries convict white people of killing blacks. the prosecutor has handled several cases. he put a white man on death row for killing black men. quite frankly, we have seen women treated more differently than men. but that doesn't mean you change your prosecution style. you always base your decision to charge on the evidence and the law. this was a case about the law, and we knew it was a tough case. it hinged on justifiable use of deadly force. and quite frankly, whether a person is white or black, male or female, when there is any arguably claim of justifiable use of deadly force, there is not an immediate arrest, because we don't want to start speedy trial. that is a legal concept. it has nothing to do with race. >> one of the things, mark, you said the other day is that a lot in a trial depends on a jury's ability to sympathize or understand a defendant or victim. i want to show you something that juror b-37 said to me yesterday. i was asking her about one of the witnesses, rachel jeantel, a friend of trayvon martin's. a lot of

my best friend is white. my mother is actually white.prom date in high school was a white woman. she was very white, actually. she used to ride horses and do that whole thing. obviously very deep -- i have very deep roots in the white community that this isn't hatred for whites. this is just tough love. i felt it was time that somebody told the truth to these people. it's a hard conversation, but it's one we need to have. >> i'm glad we're having it. my question to you, cord, what is it going to take to get the white power structure, prominent rights, hillary clinton, joe biden to speak out on this type of thing? to start talking about the st. patty's day parade, the drug culture on campus. take the first step and condemn the huntington beach riots? >> you know, i wish that i knew. i wish that i knew. when i look toward the white leadership, when i look toward the justin biebers of the world and rush limbaughs of the world and sean hannitys of the world, i hear them talk about the problems in the black community. i have yet to see them t

and in 1826, the white house passed a law that the white furniture had to be of american manufacturerould walk in and say, i understand this room. and this is wallpaper that is of our vintage. >> the only first lady born outside the u.s., lisa katherine adams, had to adjust to her new life in america, and the family of her husband, john quincy adams. >> when louisa and john quincy first came to than old house, they had just landed in europe in washington, d.c., and made the journey of two old currency. the journey was very difficult. she was brought to this house to meet her father and mother in law and of that moment she would write, had i stepped on to know was arc, i could not have been more utterly astonished. she had a challenge in winning over abigail adams. john adams was easy. he took to her right away. she always felt very comfortable with him and very well-liked by him. skeptical, more perhaps due to john quincy t.d. in. he only give abigail a little bit of information about his wife, and was not forthright in his intentions. in many ways, it was a surprise that he married h

such is the case for philip white. once an aspiring rapper, he was recently convicted of murder. >> look around like [ bleep ]. how did i just go from five star hotels room service to an 8 x 10 cell. i mean people's bathrooms at home is bigger than where i'm living. i don't want to die like this. ♪ ♪ i don't want to cry like this ♪ ♪ tell me why life like this >> after serving a six-year prison sentence in indiana for drug dealing, white moved to oakland for a fresh start and had made some inroads in the city's rap scene. [ rapping ] >> but his dreams of stardom ended after he fatally stabbed his 44-year-old girlfriend 12 times in the arm and hand. >> number one song trying to shake heads. now i'm locked in a cell. how could the lord forget me? don't cry. >> white was living with his girlfriend and her four children. on the night of the murder, he and his girlfriend were at a rap show where white was performing. >> crowd was loving me. females was loving me. i'm just chitchatting and the person i was involved with, you

there was a marked decline in white voter participation between 2008 and 2012. 5 million white voters showed up in 2008 did not turn out last year. consider that mitt romney took 59% of the white vote overall. if those extra white voters had shown up could have made the race a lot closer. if a future republican candidate could turn those white voters out and build on that 59% share romney got, well, then maybe the gop could still win without broadening its ethnic base that raises all sorts of troubling issues. only getting more diverse as a society. what would happen if the fault line between our two major parties bail race. one became the party of white people and the other of nonwhites. is that even possible it could happen? is that what republicans like hannity, republicans who are suddenly saying, hey, you know, we don't have incentive to do immigration reform after all? is that what they want to happen. i want to bring in shawn trendy, msnbc contributor maria these ka kumar and dino garza for the hispanic group and dave weigel, senior political correspondent at slate.com. and sha

there are white vans similar to the other white van.ll of a sudden there were millions of white vans, and everybody would say did you see? i saw a white van. >> police say they're still looking for a white box truck. >> it got a life of its own that it shouldn't have gotten. >> two men inside. >> unfortunately, it was the only game in town at that point. >> lost in the hysteria in the white box truck lead was an alert put out by d.c. police. after the last shooting of the previous day. october 3rd. >> homicide detectives investigating just inside of the d.c. line had a description of a chevy caprice leaving the scene. it was not a big story. it was kind of buried in the news coverage. >> the white truck theory simply dominated the discussion, along with media experts that came forward with profiles of the sniper. >> this has all the markings of an all american crime spree. this is somebody who is actually trying to taunt the nation. >> the message is getting out there that no one is safe. >> everybody thought it was -- that it was white

they were in the white white. so what if they had a meeting. janet reno called for a special prosecutor for white water and nixon allowed a special prosecutor for waterge. and so why doesn't the president allow a special prosecutor? >> bottom line, there is a lot of information we need to get to and we need that to come out in the open testimony particular he like mr. wilkes. >> we need a special prosecutor to get to the bottom of this. the justice department will not do it. congress will go tank because of the partisan in the house. we need somebody in a real team to get to the bottom of this. there is too much. 200 organizations get targeted. thatoesn't happen from a few rogue agents. david, those 12 demoatic senators wrote letters. who handled those and how did they respond? >> a lot more questions than answers. and coming up next. >> the law is implemented as it currently stands when we hire somebody new we'll let them know they are part- time and not eligible for the health insurance benefit. >> the president insisting his health care law

i was one of four white kids in the whole school. was in fourth and fifth grade and to the point i was -- i was teased. i was bullied. and i am embarrassed to say that because i think what i have gone through and the privileged in my life, it is just -- it makes that experience pale in comparison. so i understand that. but i do think what president obama said about having been a lot of progress, if i look at my niece, she never had a negative thought in her head about race or gay people as a matter of fact. there has been progress. >> can i make one point? there were studies done with kids who were bussed. in fact it was a negative. it did not help. it did not lift people up. their grade point afnlg or other things. it was a forced way to force integration which got a lot of people an gray. i don't know if you remember, but south boston went crazy when this happened. it was unnecessary. what would have been helpful is to get better teachers and get better schools. >> wow, what happened to you? >> something is in his drink. >> did you

parties at the white house. she was immensely dedicated to of concept of the annexation texas to the union. during that time, she was able who wasjohn c. calhoun, a contemporary of my mother's from south carolina, and she was able to sway him to vote for the annexation of texas. and she worked on henry clay, but i don't know whether she was really successful. biji took henry clay out to dinner. and this is a woman without a chaperon, a president's wife, alone having dinner with henry clay, and she did not mind at all. and she wrote her mother a letter, which i think it's priceless. she said, mother, mr. clay was a little insulting. when i told him that my husband wanted him to vote for the he said toof texas, i am wide taxes should not butn efficient -- and next -- and i replied, my husband is both. born in charles city county. purchased his house and came down here once before he retired from the presidency. wered julia gardner married. she said, the hand of god and nature have been kind to my sherwood forest,

if trayvon martin were white? number one, would the president comment on it and number two, would the media care? >> i won't answer that pop quiz. the media wouldn't care. >> you could argue that president obama has more in common with zimmerman because they both have one white parent. >> i thought you were going to say because they both smoked pot when they were -- >> i don't know. but here's an interesting conflict that comes out of his speech. he says we're a better culture, that we're less prejudices. and he's right about kids these days rarely talk about race, but you still have this horrible epidemic of black-on-black crime that's going on. so if there's no racism or racism is going away yet you still have this horrible thing going on, then what's going on? why is this epidemic -- >> it's drug wars. >> so what do you do about that? why are they scared to address the drug war? >> i agree with that. but in chicago you have the bloods and krips fighting over territories to sell drugs. >> blood in, blood out, th

but largely white. and so when you look at the statistics about how we want to change in this country, it's always negativity impacts african-american and latino people. i point to the data in terms of incarceration, length of time served, who gets hired. >> charles, you were mentioning the study, you talked about doctors prescribing -- doctors are more likely to prescribe innovative surgery for african-americans than they are for whites. and it cuts across all socioeconomic lines. >> right. in addition to that, it's all kinds of doctors in the study. i mentioned last time about pediatricians and how cruel it was that -- how bias shows up in these cruel ways that the pediatricians were less likely to prescribe pain management for young black kids than they were for white kids. how cruel is that? >> but i was looking to the study. my understanding is when they were informed about that bias, they were able to correct it. >> i have looked at that from an insurance point of view. one, access and ability, tw

of white no no i think that's true i think what we do. well we've got to we've got to get to teach we've got to embrace because they still have the capacity to be progressive but you just don't trust them and you tell the truth that it's a brutal truth it's a painful truth and they accept it and grow or they don't accept it and live in a state of denial which is often the case now because you got right wing that we can't forget about i mean you've got eleven hundred white supremacist militia groups in america that's one thing that upset me about my my disgust assata shakur who are one of the grand black freedom fighters in the sixty's with a bomb administration in their cold is justice department put a two million dollars bounty on her he it on the terrorist list the top ten terrorist list all of the white supremacist militia groups all of the various folks terrorizing indigenous peoples. peoples brown peoples none of them on the list but it's. on the list i'll get to critical can you get that's what i mean by the moral bankruptcy of blac

>> she wanted the white house.king in her living room and ruining her draperies. she wanted the white house as much as he did. she wanted to be the first lady of land. they are all dying for it. >> just one first lady i have known who did not is beth truman. there is no question about it. she did not like it and he could have run again even though they passed a law that you could not have two terms, seven years. fdr's unfinished term. he could have run again. he told me -- talking to presidents. [laughter] >> in your bedroom. >> he told me he did not think he should run again because of the law. in a sense, it was almost seven years. it was really beth truman. i have seen her at a party. i think it was a party reception to the club in march and talk to her briefly and was so sure he would not run again. she didn't. he spent a lot of time -- did not like the white house. >> nixon campaigned beside him throughout. i think she never really dreamed of being in the white house. >> she would shake 4000 hands in one after

whites kill whites. here is the bottom line and they all done doo it guns and gun control. >> gun control is not going to have the issue. federalized all gun crimes. >> it helps. >> bill: no it wouldn't. >> what would solve the issue. >> bill: criminals will always get the guns. >> the issue of getting the guns. get the guns off our streets. that's how you solve the problems. >> bill: you will have to revoke the second amendment and you are not going it do that. >> huge gap between repealing the second amendment and reasonable laws. huge gap, bill and you know that. >> bill: i can be solve the problem by federalizing gun crimes. you wouldn't back that because you say the sentencing unfair if the guy with gun so the 20 years. >> i could solve problem too. arm every black person in america and let's say what the nra has to say. >> bill: tavis, that's a little extreme. we always appreciate you coming on. >> not at all. >> bill: very controversial lawsuit. lawyers for george zimmerman say they will sue nbc n

. >>> black and white? let's talk about black and white. let's play "hardball." >>> let me start tonight with this. a national moment of epiphany. that's what we're having right now in america. it's about trayvon martin and something bigger. it's about the box this tragedy came in, the national environment in which black men are type cast, assumed by whites in too many cases to be something they are not. i don't want to generalize here. african-americans didn't and don't need a moment of new understanding about the situation in which they have born and lived in this country of the free. they know it. i'm learning myself firsthand. they know what it means to be refused a taxi in a big city because the driver doesn't want to go to your neighborhood. they know what it means to ride on a bus. and while not having to sit in the back, can't help but notice and feel the exclusion that comes when the whites coming aboard go to every seat until the one next to them is the only option. i don't want to generalize about whites. there are people so damn

house and inside the white house. that is the conclusion that many people are drawing from your story. standing by it? >> if people are making that conclusion, i think that the evidence is in place to support that. >> okay. we'll conclude the debate for now. i'll move on from there. we'll be back to this shortly. thanks very much. >>> a new poll putting the president's approval rating at 41%. that's down from 50% back in april of this year. real clear politics says these scandals are having an impact. tom, can you date the period from which the president's approval rating starts to decline. is that the start of the scandal? >> not exactly. he was elected with 51% approval rating. he had a post-election honeymoon in december. was up around 54% and started the decline at the beginning of the new year. the scandal definitely has taken its toll over the course of months and this poll that you mentioned that came out today, the last survey was taken at the end of april and so you can see over the ensuing ten weeks or so th

>> it's not what the white house said originally. when the story first broke the white house was clear this was a rogue agency in cincinnati. this was done by bureaucrats and didn't have any relevance or ties to the white house. we learned over the course of

so the violence against white people is typically white on white violence. >> but the history of it -here's where history matters. so a hundred years ago, those statistics really didn't exist. so the statistics come into use a hundred years ago to separate out deserving and undeserving, worthy and unworthy. and essentially, a hundred years ago, one of the leading racial demographers in america said, when black men come into competition with white men, they have two roads out of their dilemma, the road to prison or the road to an early grave. 1896. in other words, we have set up history, so when president obama talks about history, a history we don't know very well, essentially, we have stacked the deck to end up with statistical proof, to reinforce a lie from the beginning, that black men are likely to end up in prison or dead, so why should we bother creating pathways of opportunity for them to become president. >> i want to read quickly what trayvon martin's parents said in response to president obama, and then have you play off of that and anything else here. let's take a look for

i'm defending white people.o understand when you and angela i apologize for beating up on you, but sunny is cheering. the fact is, when you had that jury, and you saw who that jury was, i'm not monday morning quarterbacking you, because i said to anderson at the time, the case was over. i said when you put her on, rachel on and had her as kind of the center piece for the case, my opinion she was the prosecution made her the center piece, i said at the time the wheels just came off, they're never going to recover. because there is no way that you're going to get some of those women on that jury, from that community, who are in any way, shape or form going to relate to rachel jeantel. >> we often thought this was going to be a litmus death. but as martin luther king jr.'s daughter said, this is going to be a defining moment to know where we're at in the status of my father's dream. >> i want angela corey to respond and then we have to take a break. >> well, the way i respond is this, we have a certain way we have

there was a lot of gloom in the white house. hay was at the telegraph office, a short walk away from the white house. he sat up through the night with lincoln and watched him pace, watched for the returns to come in from various states. when the returns came in, they realized that the soldiers had voted, and they realized that made the difference. they had been allowed to go home on leave. hay's description of lincoln being concerned but calm, keeping everyone around him at ease by telling his great stories, one of the great moments in political history. we have all become familiar of the stories of election night for various presidential candidates. this is one of the first. >> you start your book with a quotation from john milton hayes, 1905. >> where did that come from? >> john hay essentially wrote his own benediction. in the spring of 1905, he had a bad heart. his health was very poor. yet, theodore roosevelt, who had been elected the previous fall, been inaugurated in march 1905, said, please stay on for as long as you can

(buzzer) of course for the previous 43 white presidents. [ cheers and applause ] for the previous 4 white presidents, white people accumulated one point. (ding) now, jazz clearly a point for african-americans. (ding). but white people get a point for smooth jazz. (ding) now, crucial. in the civil war, white people get one point for winning the fight to end slavery. (ding) and another point for losing the fight to keep slavery. (ding). [ cheers and applause ] evidently no points for black people in that one. odd time to sit things out. anyway, as you can see, as you can see, it's even now. okay? so we can just stop this whole racial thing here. white people, stop being so scared where of young black men. and young black men, stop being so scary. okay. take some personal responsibility for how white people feel around you. okay. lose the hoodies. wear something nonthreatening. you know what? start buying your clothes wherever martin lawrence and tyler perry shop. i mean, they look harmless. i mean, madea has only been to jail once. folks, if this trial proves anything -- and i'm not sure it

white grievance and get to the poll. "trend" actually makes an argument, it might not be as horrible as you think when you hear that. >> in fact, right before this, i was listening to chris matthews misstate it. it was not that there were these hardcore conservatives who stayed home because romney was a liberal. sure, romney was a liberal. more importantly, romney was this country club millionaire who talked about how 47% of the country couldn't possibly vote republican. so you have the people who spent the last four years under obama not doing well. wages, median wages are stagnating. unemployment is down. meanwhile, corporate profits are at a record high. >> right. >> biggest banks are even bigger. so you've got the working class voters who are staying home who aren't going to vote republican. working class voters who are black and who are hispanic, they have a home in the democratic party just because naturally that's the way the parties line up. working class voters who are white, they don't have a home in the democr

i'm a white jewish woman with two white children and this is heartbreaking.nd our children out into the world. they're going to come home to us. this sort of thing should not happen. should not have happened. and like sunny, my son's at sleepaway camp. i got to see him this past weekend. i said to him, i'm waiting for the zimmerman verdict. i got to tell you, i'm terribly disappointed as i think most of us are. it's horrible. >> here's the other part of this. this was interesting. i was hearing from a colleague on this show team, she was saying there are a lot of, you know, late teens, early 20s african-american men who are saying to their parents, why is this case such a big deal? i have friends of pink, purple, green, black, blue color. and the parents are having to sit them down and say, son, let me tell you something about civil rights and what has happened in this country. you cannot be color blind. it seems like the younger generation to some extent is unaware. have you all heard that at all? >> absolutely. absolutely. when my son first came home to tal

when you say you wonder if white families are having this conversation, how often does a white mother have to sit their son down and say, be careful when the cops pull you over, hold onto the steering wheel because we don't want him to think that you're about to do something. that's what i meant by that. >> i don't know. i've never been in white families but the onus tends to be on us, that black boys can't run too fast. you have to keep your hands on the steering wheel. that's inherently not fair. i still think we're stuck in the position. what the family is trying to do is move us forward. we see how the issue has galvenized folks around the country and rallying around stand your ground laws and antiprofiling laws. in thinks death will this carry forward with every family in america. >> let me play forward what sabrina said. let's play it. >> it's sending a terrible message to other little black and brown boys that you can't walk fast, you can't walk slow. so what do they do? i mean, how do you get home without people nothing or assuming that you're doing something wrong. trayvon wa

the idea that white presidents aren't being white presidents. so barack obama is being president barack obama. which is to say he's being the president of all americans and all presidents walk into that white house with their own experiences. and the other thing he said -- remember what he said in the speech, he went to policy. there is a bill pending in congress that representative conyers introduced on profiling. >> we will be talking about that subject. jonathan, thank you as always. maya, you are staying with us >> coming up, the politics of today's speech. >> as we rebuild our economy, one industry is investing confidently into america's future, oil and natural gas. ♪ ♪ honey, is he too into this car thing? [ mumbling ] definitely the quattro. ♪ honey? huh? a5. what? [ sighs ] did you say something? ♪ did you say something? with an advanced degree inoking education from capellalp them university, full potential. you'll be better equipped to deal with today's issues and make an even greater impact. let's get started at capella.edu. aren't al

just because i'm white and i'm going to buy something in a loose-fitting breezy played? i am but that's not the point. thankfully there's a way to achieve racial harmony. and it's the subject of tonight's word. color bind. nation, it's time we caucasian-americans accept that when it comes to furthering the racial dialogue the ball is in our court even though having the ball on a court has never been our strong suit. president obama has taken the first step by frankly discussing as a black man how it feels to be in a room full of white people who are scared of him. now i believe it's my turn to be honest about the white experience. black people are scary. and, folks, that's not just me saying that. i mean, just ask the tv. >> here is the headline. young black men commit homicides at a rate 10 times greater than whites and hispanics combined. >> here's an inconvenient fact. any time there's interracial crime, there's an overwhelming chance that the victim is going to be white and that the criminal is going to be black. >> when you look at the crime numbers, african-america

white on white crime is a eality in america, but not assumed as such. a culture that demonizes them, a pop culture that expresses their intent to be greater than they are, and reinforces their vulnerability. i suggest that what we do are a few things pretty educational system has to be taken seriously as a battle we need to wait. how do we do that? stop demonizing our children. create alternative structures to admit multiple forms of learning. people learn in multiple ways. jay-z is a high school graduate. to block dropped out. -- tupac dropped up. who was wrong? the school? or them? there's education on the one hand, and schools on the other. learning is about the desire to be educated for a lifetime. we have to convert these meanings, and figure out ways to acknowledge our children's learning styles. do not send them to jail if they have a behavioral challenge, and figure out ways not to pick them in detention, which becomes a eating cell to el -- eating cell to jail. we have to reduce the times for drug offenses. we are not here. we are not here to h

and the journalists who cover them in the white cap -- in the white house. this is one hour and 45 minutes. >> tonight, we will be looking at the traditional role a first lady plays and the choices she makes, her personal life, her life with her husband, her life with her children, her life as hostess at the white house, as the leader of special causes and charity events and so forth. how, in the context of the white house, all those sorts of decisions potentially carry various kinds of political implications and repercussions. either as interpreted, or perhaps over interpreted, by the press, and, on the other hand, sometimes intended by the white house. of this, i an idea recall one of my most favorite anecdotes from the eisenhower administration. them take the programs from the television set. lucille ball,53, -- the actress, was accused of being a communist and was brought to appear before senator joseph mccarthy's senate committee on un-american activities. -- heardnhower heller about this and was furious. she never particularly cared for joe mccarthy, b

if george zimmerman had been african-american, if trayvon martin had been white or hispanic or white then maybe just maybe the police officers would have investigated more fully that night. maybe just maybe there there would have been an arrest more immediately. maybe there would not have needed to be marchers in the street to sort of force due process to take place. and so i think that's what the president means. but i think he went even further than that. you know, we've been talking about for the last 1 or 19 month about how the we have to parent our sons differently. and what i've begun to say is, unless it is validated, unless people really understand that we do, that we must parent our sons differently, then we'll always, always have to because they'll always face these kinds of environments. >> dana, again, the president said both the outcome and the aftermath may have been different as goldie pointed out if trayvon had been white. but compare that statement to what will defense counsel mark o'mara had to say about what would have happened if his client, george zimmerman, had