the white house garden, the white house -- the white house, the history of an american idea, which is really the architectural history of the house that he has written. he's also collaborated with artists. peter wadell on an artist visits the white house past which is a wonderful little booklet that is available. and the new book coming out and will be available tonight at -- in our gift shop and you'll be allowed in early to be able to have a copy signed if you'd like to do that at 5:45. the title is "the night they burned the white house." so we -- and also he's contributed many other publications, including our art historic guide book. with that i'd like you to give a warm welcome to william seale. [ applause ] >> do i need that on? hello. it's good to be here. i look forward to it and have enjoyed what i've been able to -- >> oh, i do. i have to have a microphone. machinery. i am going to talk about the symbol of the white house, the survival of it through time. and can everyone hear now? i mean, everyone that wants to. a monument you see, a symbol you feel, rather basic, but if t

don't let somebody get into the white house ever.nd if they have to take action that is lethal, i will have their back. in this day and age, we don't know what is going on underneath that person's clothing. if they want to penetrate that, they need to know that they are going to perhaps be killed. that's the message we should be sending every single time. and that's the kind of secret service that i expect. i thank them again for their service, their deck indication, we love them, we care for them, but we need better leadership. it's not happening. yield it back. >> thank you. now we go to mrs. norton. >> thank you mr. chairman. my respect for the secret service goes back to when i was growing up as a child in the district of columbia and continues profoundly to this very day, but today we must ask, recent events call for a recent unprecedented event, call for an unprecedented response. first an increasing number of white house jumpers including the most recent this month, before that in 2011, multiple shots into the living quarters

i walked through the white house yesterday. i was pleased to find not only tourists and protesters as usual. , you testified 16 jumpers, and only five years. there has been an increase in fence jumpers. i want to know whether you have simplyred before today, fence beat a higher built. one that for example could curve. the curve going outward, so maybe you would damage a body part if you try to get over it. are off the these top of my head, multilayered glass behind the fence that guns orsist blasts from bombs. since there have been 16 in five years, at least i think many more over the years -- have you considered such common sense so that thehat, public would still have access, but the president of the united states and his family would be protected? have you ever recommended that? >> we do want to work in partnership to ensure that the people have access in proximity to the white house, and the historic nature, and the natural significance. i do look forward to continuing to work with you and the administration, and the depart

if somebody is approaching the white house, has penetrated the security, and making a run for the white house, no apparently weapon, can they take that person down? >> the law requires that law enforcement officers ensure that they are in eminent danger or others are in eminent danger before they can use lethal force. >> so if someone is running at the white house they can or cannot use lethal force. >> those will be independent decisions made by the officer based on the totality of the circumstances. >> how do they know that they aren't a terrorist? shouldn't they assume that this person has ill intention? >> law enforcement officers are trained in onning servation skills, and i would assess they are constantly looking at people for ill intentions. >> i think this is confusing. this is part of what they have to deal with. i want it to be crystal clear, you make a run and a dash at the white house, we're going to take you down. i want overwhelming force. would you disagree with me? >> i do want our officers to use appropriate force for anyone attempting to breach the white house. >> the

as you say they saw him again in august with a hatchet near the white house.hey interviewed him and checked out his car, and he said he was camping. so he was clearly on their radar screen, but she said he had given them no reason to arrest him. they were just watching him. he had done nothing illegal. there has been a lot of praise for the individuals. they know they have a tough job, but the concern is that moral is down; that they don't feel they can speak out if something has gone wrong, and clearly congress thinks something needs to be done to get this agency in order. >> and lisa it appears that congress is drawing a line in the sand and that being the perimeter of the white house itself saying beyond that deadly force will be used in the future, because in the park across from the white house, there are a variety of people who would be deemed interesting, including a woman that believe there are people trying to invade her. so they always walk that tight rope. >> absolutely. and the director also mentioned that they currently are looking at over 300 peo

some northern whites and blacks and even a few white southerners joined this fight but it was mainly a fight of southern african-americans. again, the conservative white south lost the contest. they lost less decisively this time. there wasn't wholesale destruction and utter defeat as in 1865. the white south lost less decisively this time but more definitively and more lastingly and we're going to talk about that. so, in both cases you've got a backdrop of black people struggling for decades against oppression and then you got a challenge to the racial order in the south. the first time it come from the north initially with southern blacks joining in. the second time it's southern blacks themselves that changed the order. in both cases the conservative white south loses. in the first instance the conservative white shout rebounds and erases many of the fruits of the first reconstruction. the second time around more of the gains have proved permanent i'll argue as we go on. all right. now in more detail what can we say is true in both cases, in both reconstructions? first of all, as

the nixon white house is really the white house today in the sense of the furnishings.e -- what they did was they put history back. that truman had torn away. as a presidential complex, the white house served the purpose well as an office adjacent to the residence. it's very crowded. and the office staff of some 3,000 people spills over into the historical state, war and navy building. that beautiful second empire m! building to the right of it or west of it. and across the street from there to the new executive office building, a large office -- modern office building. crowded office conditions for nearly everyone are tolerated because they have to be. being in the complex is paramount for one who works there. when one says, i work at the white house, it can mean a lot of places. a big fancy office or a broom closet. but sounds good.$÷h÷ but the residents always remains the central focus, the defining place. here the president lives.e2; here we imagine here every day. contact in a political system. the kennedy renovations did not create the white house symbol but see

in addition to being the editor of "white house history," he is an important author on books on white house history and i have just a few of them here tonight for you to see. in addition to his expertise on the white house, mr. seale is a scholar and sought after wise preservation of a range of historic american buildings. his preservation work is evidence in state c apitols and historic homes across the heartland of america. we are in for a very special treat this evening. although the white house is just across the street, only 200 yards from where we sit tonight, these two men will bring white house history to life for us tonight, right here. please welcome william allman, followed by william seale. [applause] >> roger mudd just said, don't blow it. [laughter] now i am nervous. i was not before. except one attending such a in 1814 inposium washington, we would concur with author beth taylor's 2012 observation that americans today , instead of ducking the anniversary of the burning of the white house, celebrate the rescue of the portrait of george washington. all of the longest-held

of "the white house." he spoke of the white house as a symbol of the american presidency at a symposium marking the 200th anniversary of the war of 1812 and the british burning of washington. the white house historical association, the u.s. capitol historical society, and montpelier hosted this event. it is about one hour. >> thank you. our next speaker will be william seale. and to us at the association, he doesn't really need much introduction. he's been a part of our organization as an adviser to our board for at least as the time he published his president's house" in 1986. he's been a mentor to us on the staff with research eeducation, publication. over all those many years and now is the editor of our white house history publication that you all received a complementary copy in your packets. i hope you'll enjoy that and hopefully become a subscriber to our journal and keeping up with the latest research. of course, william seale is an architectural historian and specialist on the restoration and pres

on the morning of the day the white house burned, the white house was animated and in full operation. the day was scorching. the air by bid morning had begun to stir. dinner was being laid for 40 guests. with a blank card mrs. madison has sent out and sent the coachman to deliver by hand. regrets filled the mail basket in the entrance hall. still, the president and mrs. madison intended to proceed with their plans. capricious stories had spread in invasion predicting an and destruction of the city. the butler, john freeman, was busy arranging the dining room. slave owned by thomas jefferson allowed to take a salary from madison to help buy his freedom. he was assisted by paul jennings, an african-american youth of maybe 15, owned by madison. jennings was the president's valet and especially skilled in the details of setting up a proper dining room. the two preparations, placed wines on the side board and boiled and scrubbed the chamber pots, a convenience for the gentleman after dinner when the ladies have left the room. the lamps and candles stood ready to light. everything in the di

he had pictures of the white hou house. he had a machete, he had guns and was reported to the secret service. now it is true that all of this is a result of america now having so many of our ranking veterans coming home ill, but this could have been stopped before it even got started. >> had they arrested him and got him mental health perhaps. >> exactly. that's a big problem. an amazing thing here is now we have members of congress rushing back to have hearings on this occasion where the president is declaring war, having 10,000 troops committed yesterday, and yet most of the members of congress would rather be involved in reelection than to deal with the president's authority of war. >> why has congress called this hearing and didn't call a hearing to talk about the war with isis? >> i think it's very difficult for people to understand. very little can get in between a member's campaign to get reelected and the question of whether or not you're declaring war giving the president that authority has a lot more -- >> it's sa

vaulted over the white house fence. he ran all the way across the white house lawn. got all the way to the north portico doors of the white house. then opened the doors and went inside the building and was not apprehended until he was already inside the white house. if you really want to parse it, technically you could say what i said there was accurate, but honestly, what i just described there is not at all what really happened in that incident in the news. late this afternoon, early this evening, there was just a stunning development in what was already a pretty shocking story. i know the word shocking is overused in the news business. there is something shocking about this. particularly what we learned about it today. it's one thing when you see the president of the united states out working a line or doing an event in front of a large crowd. the president may be taking a little risk in terms of his safety to be out among the people. it's another thing to realize when the president is at home in what is supposedly the most secure building in the country, he's not

one white house tour. that isn't just getting inside, that's half of a white house tour to the american public. you keep minimizing this. i'm just wondering when do the red flags go up? i know you got a lot of wonderful people over there. but this is not their best work. we have a serious, serious issue here about protecting the president and his family. this is disgraceful. this is absolutely disgraceful. i'm not even going to mention the fact that it took us four days to figure out that somebody had shot seven rounds into the white house. this is beyond the pale. i have listened to your testimony very deliberately. i wish to god you protected the white house like you are protecting your reputation here today. i wish you spent that time and that effort to protect the american president and his family like i am hearing people covering for the lapses of the secret service on these several occasions. i really do. what are we going to do -- look, this whole thing is -- the united states secret service versus

he got through several rooms in the white house. someone in the white house was trying to down play it to the press. bill: there is a white house source that says they misreported it intentionally to down play the story. from a national security standpoint do you think that's defensible? >> we are five weeks from the election and you have got to get all the facts out. if you are trying to cover up to to debright's not good. that's the question for both republicans and democrats will be grilling the head of the secret service in about an hour. bill: secret service did in the lock down areas of the white house. and when that happens officers on duty don't have any knowledge of it which leads you to believe basic protocols weren't followed here. >> it's one of the most remarkable stories we have seen in years. what if it had been a coordinated attempt by a dozen people. if one person can get that far, that's what's so startling to many americans and the lawmakers who will be answering questions today. bill: they put up a second fence?

changes could be coming for white house visitors. megan mcgrath is live outside the white house with more. megan? >> reporter: well, eun, people who live and work in the area, they're familiar with the traffic restrictions. pennsylvania avenue, the section in front of the white house, it has been closed to car traffic for years. but pedestrians they can just walk freely along pennsylvania avenue. they can walk right up to the gate in front of the white house. in fact, we can see some joggers here jogging in front of the white house early this morning. however, that may soon change. secret service is considering setting up screening check points for pedestrians in public areas around the white house. the discussion comes following a big security breach that happened last friday. take a look at this cell video. you can see the chaotic situation that unfolded. omar gonzalez jumped over the white house fence, ran across the lawn and went through the front doors of the white house before being tackled by secret service. he was arrested. h

john adams lived in the white house about six months, or i should say abigail lived in the white house for about six months. thomas jefferson was a widower and his daughter helped for a while until she passed away. dolly then stepped in but it's really with james madison that we get the idea of the first lady as a hostess and someone who would invite members of congress and diplomats to come together for teas and other students to get together and chat. we kind of need a dolly in the white house today a little bit because she seemed to be effective at bringing opposing views to bear in the white house and getting them to be nice to each other while in her presence. part of what might have made her very appealing to her predominantly male guests would have been they are style preferences. which, as you can see, shows a little bit of bosom. and there were several people who really didn't like that very much, one of whom was her predecessor, abigail adams. i thought about putting a picture of abigail up here by means of comparison, because in abigail's portrait of the white house, -- or e

let's bring in white house correspondent michelle ka sin ski. >> reporter: you know, working at the white house, we are worried about security. >>> it's a matter of junk over the fence an sprint to the front of the residence and walk inside. so now we are going to see more security, more under surveillance, maybe even more bag checks outside, although, that's still being talked about at this point. security outside the white house now is visible, very visible. but it often is. so all the more dumb founding that omar gonzalez was dieblt this around 7:30 friday night. take a look at this video sprinting 20 seconds some 70 yards to a portico. there a secret service agent with gun drawn. in his pants pocket, a folding 95 with a three-and-a-half inch blade. >> in the days of isis, someone concerned about a terrorist attack, someone can get into the white house. >> reporter: now, of course the internal investigation, why weren't at the very least secret service dogs deployed and why couldn't officer versus gotten to him before he hit those doors? in a statement the secret service admits while t

don't let them get in the white house ever. and if they have to take action that's lethal i will have their back. in this day and age of isil and terrorists and ieds and dirty bombs, we don't know what's going on underneath that person's clothing. if they want to penetrate that, they need to know that they are going to perhaps be killed. that's the message we should be sending every single time and that's the kind of secret service that i expect. i thank them again for their service, their dedication. we love them, we care for them but we need better leadership. it's not happening. i yield back. >> i thank the gentleman. we recognize the yes lay dpgengm the district of columbia ms. norton. >> thank you, ladies and gentlemen. thank you mr. chairman for this hearing. my respect to the secret service goes back to when i was growing up as a child in the district of columbia and continues to this very day. but today we must ask. recent events call for and recent unprecedented events call for an unprecedented response. first, an incr

of the white house, are they allowed to use white -- use smart phones while on duty?nd i'm talking about personal smartphones, texting, tweeting, playing games. are they allowed to use personal smartphones while on duty? >> no, they would not be. >> and that is strictly enforced a? you're confident? access to aey have blackberry, which is part of the tools that we give our officers and agents to receive information and pass information. but that is an official phone to -- >> that isthey an official phone to me, something they need. i'm talking about personal smartphones usage. you say they are not allowed to do that while on duty guarding the white house and its occupants. >> it is possible that some employees have a personal cell phone for emergency contact by their family, but they are discouraged from using any kind theychnology -- nine >> are discouraged from using. ok, a week before someone was caught jumping the fence, a week later, someone was not, correct? >> yes, sir. >> were you at the white house picnic this year? >> no, i was not. >> i'm sure you are famil

. >> he vaulted over the white house fence, he ran all the way across the white house lawn. he got all the way to the north portico doors of the white house, he then opened the doors and went inside the building and was not apprehended until he was already inside the white house. >> technically, what you could say is what i said there is accurate but what i describe there had is not really at all whap in that incident in the news. >> there was just a stunning development in what was already a pretty shocking story. i know the woshd shocking is overused in the news business. but there is something shocking about this. it's one thing when you see the president of the united states working and you're thinking the president mieblgts be taking a lit m bit of a risk. but it is another thing all together to realize that when the president is at home in what is supposedly the most secure building in the country, he's not actually being well protected, nor is his family. the story is almost impossible to believe. tonight, it is almost impossible. when police did finally catch the guy

that is something that came up at the white house briefing earlier today, and white house officials, the white house press secretary was very frank in saying that the president and first lady were very concerned about this. you can expect the secret service director to be asked about this as well. and basically, in that case according to the "washington post," secret service officers upon hearing shots being fired in the vicinity of the white house, they were given a standdown order and were told at one point that no shots were fired. and we of course did not learn until days later that an usher found a bullet hole in one of the windows here at the white house and he alerted staff, and that is how the president and first lady found out about it. they were of course furious about this. and this is of course one of several incidences here at the white house that have raised very big questions about what the secret service is doing over here and whether or not they're providing adequate protection for the first family. the white house said earlier today the president does have confidenc

the white house garden, the white house -- the white house, the history of an american idea, which iseally the architectural history of the house that he has written. he's also collaborated with artists. peter waddell on an artist je7m visits the white house past which is a wonderful little booklet that is available. booklet that is available. he will be available tonight at -- in our gift shop and you'll be allowed in early to be able to have a copy signed if you'd like to do that at 5:45. the title is "the night they burned the white house." so we -- and also he's contributed many other publications, including our art historic guide book. with that i'd like you to give a warm welcome to william seale. [ applause ] >> do i need that on? hello. it's good to be here. i look forward to it and have enjoyed what i've been able to -- >> oh, i do. i have to have a microphone. machinery. i am going to talk about the symbol of the white house, the survival of it through time. and can everyone hear now? i mean, everyone that wants to. a monument you see, a symbol you feel, rather basic, but if

white house.east room of the white house. there's also been a new shooting here in the nation's capital. secret service agents moved in. how safe is the first family right now? congressman jason chaffetz is here. he's a key member of congress investigating all of this. congressman, we'll talk to you in a moment. so get a seat. "the situation room" will be right back. narrator: this is the storm sea captain: there's a storm comin narrator: that whipped through the turbine which poured... surplus energy into the plant which generously lowered its price and tipped off the house which used all that energy to stay warm through the storm. chipmunk: there's a bad storm comin! narrator: the internet of everything is changing how energy works. is your network ready?" ♪ who's going to do it? who's going to make it happen? discover a new energy source. turn ocean waves into power. design cars that capture their emissions. build bridges that fix themselves. get more clean water to everyone. who's going to tak

rice is in the white house.eneral shelton, united states army, is in the process of turning over to general myers united states air force. general myers was in washington d.c., and general shelton was actually out of town. he was overseas on his way back that day. 8:46 i am in the eisenhower office building adjacent to the west wing. we are getting ready for the presidents returned back to washington d.c. someone walked into the room and told us to turn on cnn the cousin small airplane had just struck the north tower of the world trade center. a bunch of aviators in that room. crystal-clear a, a tuesday not unlike today. -- crystal-clear day. the first comment in the room -- "it's a pretty big hole for a pretty small airplane. how can a pilot strike a target as big as the world trade center tower? there must have been a heart attack or a story we do not know." the plane had originated out of boston logan airport and was on its way to lax. over albany, new york, it made a hard left turn, came down the hudson rive

no individual should be allowed to feel the fence of the white events of the white house, sprint across the front lawn and burst into the residence of the first family with a weapon. no one. our goal today is also clear, to determine how this happened and make sure it never happens again . this is our watch. this recent incident unfortunately causes many people to ask whether there is a much broader problem with the secret service. omar gonzalez made his way into the east room, much further than the secret service previously disclosed. another report we can post about a shooting incident in 2011 raises even more questions about the competency and culture of this elite agency. what concerns me most about this report is that agents said they , agents in this agency said they were hesitant raise concerns with their supervisors. ladies and gentlemen, something is awfully wrong with that picture. the secret service is supposed to be the most elite, protective force in the world. by beforeays went they discovered that the white house had been shot seven times. then in 2012, there was the poli

somebody approaching the white house, making a white house. no apparent weapon, can they take that person down? >> the law requirements that law enforcement officers ensure they are in imminent dangers or others are imminent danger before they can leverage lethal force. >> if the person is running at the white house they can or cannot use leathal force? >> those are going to be independent decisions made by the officer based on the totality of the circumstances. >> how does the officer know if they have a dirty bomb or if it's a terrorist? how do they know that? shouldn't they assume this person has ill intention? law enforcement officers are trained and observation skill -- i think it's confusing. this is part of what they have to deal with to make a split second decision. i want to be crystal clear. you make a run and a dash at the white house we're going to take you down. i want overwhelming force. would you disagree with me? >> i do want our officers and agents to execute appropriate force for anyone attempting to challenge or breach the w

and the white house is very, very image conscious. >> the white house says there were only a handfuldents, like with michelle r thought that should be off the report. are there any of these instances that trouble you? >> the white house is always going to try and influence what's getting out. it's going to try to get its way. i think it's wrong that they have that ability, but i think the way to solve it is to remove them from the hub, the white house correspondents should be able to get the full report distributed to everybody without going through the white house. >> does this indicate a mind-set of trying to pressure reporters to delete things seen as negative? >> yeah, i think so. we know michelle obama works out. we've seen her arms, right? but it's the bathroom of the things and it's the way it is set up creates the opportunity for the white house to exercise prior restraint and to litigate these matters. the reporters, it's not hard to create an e-mail list where you blast this out yourself and cut the white house out of the process. >> and to be bullies. there is an element o

more security at the entrances to the white house. can you imagine what the country would be going through if that person was wearing a vest bomb. we have seen what happens in some of the suicide attacks. one person can take out a very large part of the white house. i think it is a very serious matter. i have to believe you can patrol that perimeter in a better way, even if you have guards on the fence, but there is more security that could be added so we don't have to turn the white house into more of a fortress. >> not to make us all into armchair security experts here, there is a piece about the culture of the secret service and the fact that certain agents when there was a shooting in 2011 didn't feel like they could go to their superiors with the information they thought a gunman may have shot the white house. that is something that we have seen as a recurring theme here. i mean that seems like something that whoever is in that position is going to have to really make a systemic change at the secret service. >> absolutely. i thin

. >>> trouble at the white house. let's play "hardball." ♪ ♪ >>> good evening, i'm chris matthews in philadelphia. home of the 3-0 eagles. anyway, lots of news tonight. all pretty startling. start with the guy jumping the fence in front of the white house, right there on pennsylvania avenue. then sprinting right into the president's house itself through the formal entrance known as the north port co-. what if someone from isis decided to try that route? speaking of which, we have a top u.s. official now saying that some americans who joined isis in iraq and syria have come home to the states. add to this the latest audio tape from the terrorist group saying, we americans will not feel safe even in our bedrooms. >>> we have a look at this incredible opportunity for the democrats in kansas to win this november. it's in kansas of all places, i said. and speaking of wind, what do you make of the fact that 3 300,000 people showed up in new york to demand action to climate change. >>> right now to the threat of the white ho

the man who jumped the white house fence made it further into the white house than first reported. >> a popular supermarket in our region hacked. tonight, the message acme has for in pennsylvania, new jersey and delaware. >> tonight, the investigation into their alleged affair. >> good evening. >> we begin with a developing story. new details about the extent of the recent security breech inside the white house. the man prosecutors called a danger to the president made it all the way into the east room, much farther than previously stated. tonight's new information comes on the eve of secret service testimony about safety at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. nbc 10's george spencer talks to the security inspected xx. >> reporter: yeah, jim, the initial details of that september 19th incident were unsettling enough. but that intruder made it passed the stairway that led right up to the president's residence. >>> even in this shaky cell phone video, you can tell something is wrong as an intruder races across the white house lawn and up the front stechs. tonight, we know that breech was even mor

we know the man who jumped the white house fence made it farther into the white house than previously reported. cnn's jim acosta has the story. >> reporter: hernandez made it farther into the white house than previously stated. gonzalez managed to make it through a secret service officer at the portico doors and ran into the east room before he was tackled just as he was trying to head into the green room. no shots were fired inside or outside the white house. according to a memo used by the members of the committee this morning, there were multiple lapses that allowed gonzalez to make that far. one was a crash button which would have instantly locked down the white house. this information runs counter to what the secret service said on the night of the incident. a spokesman told reporters he was taken down inside the portico. according to white house officials, the president has confidence in her leadership. john and christine. >> thanks, jim, for that report. >>> residents of the syrian city of kobani are terrified and pleading for help. islamic fighters are two miles from the kurdi

joining me now from the white house is nbc senior white house correspondent, chris jansing. chris, what is your reaction to the white house and what is the reaction in the white house to this report? >> it is as you said, stunning. the white house won't comment on these latest reports. neither will the secret service, but this really is, rev, a very different situation than we were led to believe. i was here that night. we just talked to congressman elijah cummings, the ranking member on the committee that will talk to the secret service director tomorrow. he said this should be a come to jesus moment. he said the secret service has not lived up to its reputation and here's why. after scaling the fence into what as you said is widely expected to be the most secure house in the country. he ran 70 yards across the lawn to the front door. now we know he got well into the building, confronting at least two agents along the way. how could this happen? well, we now believe the reason dogs didn't stop gonzalez when he sprinted across the lawn, was because there were a lot of office

it is where members of the white house staff and white house journalists show up every day to do theirork. and facilitating your entry and exit to this complex with the minimal amount of inconvenience while also providing security is a priority. right outside the front gate of the white house is lafayette park which is mun the more prominent first amendment zones in the country. that individuals will gather in that area to make their first amendment views known and this means that the secret service has the challenging task of balancing the need to ensure the safety and security of the first family while also ensuring that the white house continues to be the people's house and bouncing those equities is challenging work but clear in this case a review of that work is warranted and that review will be conducted. >> what's the president's personal reaction to this? does he express concern about whether he and his family are truly safe here? >> i had the opportunity to speak briefly with the president about it earlier today. he did indicate, as you would expect, his family lives in the wh

>> richard, you know the white house. your reaction to this breach. >> well, i don't know that the first family will be really sort of terrified by all of this. they have a great relationship with the agents they come into close contact with. as chris said, it's not just that they come to the white house with young children, those children have grown up, not just in the public eye, but with the presence of secret service with them at all times. secret service is much bigger than the personal detail around the president. here you have uniformed officers who, anyone who has been around the white house, and i certainly have, has seen people being approached on the perimeter by uniformed agents, saying, what are you doing? where are you going? apparently this intruder was approached. why they didn't follow through with procedures is staggering and shocking. i'm sure that will be troubling to anyone around the first family. but again, what you just heard, when george stephanopoulos leaned against the tree, he recounts it in hi

the truth is black and white. the truth is black and white.you pull out the inner city if you pull out the inner city low income low income pulls. pulls. pulled them out and take every pulled them out and take every other school, we lead the world other school, we lead the world in public school education by a in public school education by a lot. lot. what is interesting is we think what is interesting is we think about finland. about finland. well, finland is mainly white well, finland is mainly white kids, right, and they teach them kids, right, and they teach them well. well. we teach our white kids better. we teach our white kids better. we beat everywhere. we beat everywhere. our white kids are taught the our white kids are taught the best public school education on best public school education on the planet. the planet. those are the facts. those are the facts. >> if you take the suburban >> if you take the suburban well-off-white kids out of the well-off-white kids out of the picture and now take the inner picture and now take the inner

into the interior of the white house. before that in 2011 multiple shots into the living quarters of the first family discovered only four days later, not by secret service investigation but by white house staff. beyond these failures, in the core mission of the secret service to protect the white house and the first family is an unsettle ling failure to disclose perhaps even understand what has occurred or to investigate. together this combination of failures suggests strongly that the time is right for a 21st century make over of the secret service. i do not regard this matter as a mere question of personnel. i believe it goes far deeper than that. the stunning events have occurred during a period where the united states, and by definition the white house and even the president are being targeted by domestic and international terrorists. according to the threat assessments, this president has had three times as many threats as his predecessors. just as have indications of unwarranted secrecy in the secret service. the s

the white house, they leave the front door unlocked. it's crazy. really, it should be an electronic lock. it should be able to be opened when dignitaries arrive. i've been through that door. and many americans have been as well. into the east room and the ceremonial rooms. but like peter said, you know, seven separate systems failed here. this wasn't one thing that failed. it was the plain clothes team outside the fence. it was the wimpiest fence on earth he got over. the dog wasn't released, the uniformed division officer in the north tower or box couldn't get to him. you know, you release the dog. secret service officers will take a bullet for the president. they can take a dog bite for the president too. you don't make a decision not to release the dog because he might bite an officer. you release the dog trying to stop the intruder. and of course the door should have been locked. and an officer outside the door, and you shouldn't listen to the usher's office when they tell you to tell you to turn it down. you say no. we're the secret service an

don't let them get in the white house, ever. and if they have to take action that's lethal i will have their back. in this day and age of isil and terrorists and ieds and dirty bombs, we don't know what's going on underneath that person's clothing. if they want to penetrate that, they need to know that it will be fatal. that it would be message we're sending every single time. i thank them for their service, i love them and care for them but we need better leadership. it's not happening. >> strong words from representative jason chaffetz. we want to turn live to the house oversight and government al reform hearing where julia pierson is now answering questions. let's listen. >> he would not have been apprehended except that he had a car accident and even when he was it was not neimmediately linked to his criminal activity. that, in fact, the system at the white house did not detect the actual shots fired and begin the pursuit of somebody who had provided by lethal force against the facility of the white house. is that correct? y

on the white house lawn. state police helicopters by then were chasing him. one landed apparently between the stolen dhoper and the white house itself. secret service agents pulled out shotguns and started shooting as it hovered over the white house. eventually, they came down and wrestled with him on to the ground. eventual eventually, they took him to the hospital to have some buck shot taken out of him before they got him booked. it turns out the pilot was a 20-year-old army pilot. he had been very disappointed to have flunked out of flight training. part of his motive for what he did was he wanted to show off what a good pilot he was. he eventually served about a year of prison and got kicked out of the army. >>> later that same year, it happened again. this time, it happened without air power. this time, it's more amazing that the would-be white house intruder lived to tell the tale. marshal fields, jr., had a chevy impala. used to ram the security gate at the white house and was successful to ram that g

house grounds. >> you were in the white house in 22001-2006 after 9/11. were there arguments back and forth about striking that precise balance? >> we had a very positive and constructive relationship with the secret service where we sought to understand what their concerns were, they sought to understand what they were trying to accomplish with the president's agenda. we were always trying to find the balance between doing what we want to do whether it be traveling around the world or physically in the white house when they were comfortable keeping him safe as possible. >> up next, the baltimore ravens pushed back hard against an espn report alleging misdirection by the team saying the sources have an agenda to get ray rice back in the nfl. >> they are building a case for reinstatement. and the best way to build a case for reinstatement is to make everybody else look like they're lying. >> espn responded to that. that's ahead. goodnight. goodnight. for those kept awake by pain the night is anything but good. introducing new aleve pm. the first one with a

lester. >> kristen welker at the white house. thank you. >>> now to the growing manhunt for one of the fbi's ten most wanted. the search for the gunman who ambushed and killed a pennsylvania state trooper now extends to at least six states. and the area under closest scrutiny is under lockdown for a second night in a row. we get our report tonight from nbc's ron allen. >> reporter: tonight, a rare look inside a community under siege where hundreds of heavily armed police have intensified the manhunt for a killer who took the life of one of their own. 8,000 residents under lockdown, the order heading into its second night. >> i don't feel safe. it's getting crazy. >> reporter: outside the zone carl keets is desperate to get to his fiancee and their young boys. he left for diapers and milk. police won't let him back. it's pretty stressful. >> yeah, it is. >> reporter: are you feeling a little -- >> i just want to be home with my kids and my family. >> reporter: the manhunt focused about a mile from the home eric frein shared with h

and jay carney the former white house press secretary about a year ago at the white house podium said there is a growing threat from isis and they could carry out sophisticated attacks. so just pressed carney's successor about that. listen. >> the white house didn't just pay attention to it. they were preoccupied with other crises. this was not a big priority. sounds a lot different what the intelligence community is saying and what this white house is saying. >> well, the leader of the intel against community is jim clapper. and today he put out a message to the intelligence community that directly contradicts the anonymous individual quoted in the "new york times" today. >> reporter: and in that message, james clapper says he's proud of their work this trying to identify this threat, but says they could not have known that the iraqi forces weren't able to stand up to them. >> ed, thanks a lot. let's get context on this. dennis ross is with us. served as secretary adviser to hillary clinton. he dates back to the administration of ronald reagan. mr. ambassador, thank you. >> good to b

that would instantly lock down the white house. >> if this guy had a suicide vest or something, the whitetself, parts could have been blown up. you were given a much different official version of this story the night of the incident. >> that's right. i mean, it was met chaotic that night. but this new information, no question about it, runs counter to what the secret service initially said on the night of the fence jumping incident when a spokesman told reporters that gonzalez was apprehended inside the north portico door. i've been here inside that part of the building on multiple occasions mainly for social functions when they let reporters into those parts of the white house. that would have taken a good 30 seconds or so to make it inside that part of the white house. as you said, he had great access to this building for a short period of time. >> the secret service director, she'll be asked about this when she testifies tomorrow? >> that's right, julia pearson is scheduled to appear before the house oversight committee. she's likely to be asked not only about this incident but also ab

there has been a massive show of secret service on the white house grounds. investigation into what happened continues. what it would do to stop a dedicated intruder is still unclear. it reports the number of failures by secret service including failure to implement an emergency plan during the time of this latest intrusion. later today the secret service head will comment and members of believe it will not be a comfortable conversation. >> i can only image. leland vittert, thank you. >> could police searching for hannah graham be dealing with a serial killer? they linked jesse matthew to the death and disappearance of another young women. there may be more. >> very disturbing. virginia state police say the arrest of jesse matthew is providing them a significant break in a 5-year-old case. forensic evidence shows matthew is possibly linked to the disappearance and death of morgan herrington. that case coming after police rescued matthew connected with the disappearance of hannah graham. with a link to one of the missing girls in the maria the question asked n

white mayor, white police chief, anything important is white. >> gregory's uniquely placed to provide historical perspective. he was shot in the leg in the 1965 los angeles watts riots, but he has not used violence to project his message. he has used comedy. he was a headline performer. >> when america goes to war they don't send no comics. they accepted folk who can barely read and write. >> at 81 years old, and father to ten, dick gregory reflects on his past and the legacy his children will inherit. we spoke in washington, d.c. >> you got into the civil rights struggle early on. could you have imagined, had i whispered into the ears of your 20-something-year-old self that six decades later we would till be having these arguments? >> let me answer it this way. 120 years ago if you were at a meeting and one day horses would be obsolete. we're the only group of people who have had to struggle through divisions that we've went through, and we offer education over liberation. george washington was fighting the british so he could find a colony. liberate. all the black folks you see in a