individual commissioners to get every individual commissioner's criteria, which was very helpful in whitling down the group of people that would be interviewed. * whittling when this happened, i think that it was important to i think the entire commission, and certainly to me, that we actually had some other department heads who could -- who worked with the department on a regular basis and could offer advisement. they also sat in on the interviews. they were invited to sit in, though they don't have a vote. but it was an effort to try and make sure we were addressing concerns that we may not be aware of as far as dealing just with our department. so, it was a very helpful part of including those department heads that on a regular basis work with our department. but that was helpful. it was helpful to the commission at the time, i think, and i think that the process for the most part worked really well because everybody had equal input. the process itself was one that was approved by the entire commission, so. >> commissioner mar. >> so, i want to thank president mccarthy for putting this on