the--the picture of whittaker ch--we could have chosen several pictures of whittaker chambers, but in this case you have one which--which talks a little about his past in the communist underground... c-span: did--did you... >> guest: ... and that he lived a life of deceit. it's not a flattering picture, nor is it meant to be. c-span: did you reach your own conclusion as to who was right and wrong in this? >> guest: never. never. did you? c-span: di--is it a touchy issue, do you think, still? >> guest: yeah, i think, you know, there'll continue to be people on both sides of the issues for a very, very long time. i think more and more--or, increasingly people have come to conclude that hiss was guilty, but you'll still find people out there who will support his claims of i--of innocence. c-span: another name that has been used, even recently, is joseph mccarthy. >> guest: i think what stuc--i think what--what absolutely fascinates about--us about this particular picture is there you see carthy with--mccarthy with all of his admirers. and, you know, accuse first, research later. c-span: