and whittaker presented it to custer, and over the years, luby custer would cut off pieces of the truce flag to give out as souvenirs to people that were favorable towards her husband especially after his death at the little bighorn. this piece is general gibbens camp table used at the commissioner's meeting on april 10. they appointed three commissioners each. gibben, charles griffen and wesley merit. lee appointed pendleton gordon. they went to the tavern to have the meeting, but they said it was a bare, cheerless place, so they repaired to the mcclain house where gibbon had set up his headquarters and there was no furniture in the room because the tables had been taken as souvenirs after the meeting on april 9. so gibbons used his table and had it inscribed after the commissioners' meeting. >>> this is our display on the apple tree. what is the apple tree? it's one of those myths about appomattox, about lee's surrender. why is it a myth? well, because the event that supposedly took place there wasn't what it seemed. they had been corresponding about the possible of surrender surrende

lee's cane back chair was obtained by colonel edward whittaker. it's in the smithsonian. the candle sticks that were on the table the marble top table was obtained by brigadier sharp. the silence witness is one of the more interesting pieces in the room. it was a rag deal owned by an 8-year-old girl. it has been left in the parlor. when the federal officers came into the parlor they saw the doll and started kind of passing it among themselves. it was later taken by captain thomas w.c. moore. the family later returned it. you can see it in the park collection called the silent witness. the vase mantles. mantles on the vase. they remained in the mclean family and they were later given to the park and can you see those mantle vases on existence. that was kept in the mclean family and it is in the -- the original is in a park collection in the mclean parlor. and the secretary bookcase in the room is now in the smithsonian and that was kept in the mclean family. those are the only known furnishings that were in the parlor. there was no interest in the rest of the house because

. >> was he one of these guys that wrote about whittaker chambers? he really wanted to become one.so was there, think he used afraid crypto catholicism with neuhaus. they were satisfied and i was always drawn to it and what was he drawn to? >> he argued yes and he points to an almost observed the way of this memory hate had up as child as the spooner boys who were catholic and as a little boy that strikes me of an idealization. >> that has and are you kidding moment creates. >> aconda was for me but i think he is formed by an ecclesial lutheranism that argued lutheranism was a reform movement internal to the universal church. by the late 80s neuhaus had come to the conclusion that this account of lutheranism was a severe minority with american lutheranism itself which really was basically a branch. >> how many lutherans are there in america? >> i don't really know myself how many there are currently. there might be someone in the crowd who would know. there we go. eight or 9 million. that's a theological element and i criticized neuhaus stood degree for emphasizing the theological