. >> again, whreas needed is a minimum -- again, what's needed is a minimum level of standard as to whathose who are particularly part as what we designate as the critical infrastructure have to adhere to. >> power plants, water. >> but not even within those categories everybody. there would be a metric as for how you would ascertain which ones that should be applicable to. an analogy i've heard is we have an interstate highway system. that interstate highway system has basic standards so that when i drive from annapolis, maryland, to cocoa, florida, as i do a couple of times a year, i know that there'll be a reasonable set of speed limits that my car will not go off one road. >> quality of the road, on ramps, everything is consistent >> that's what i would say is needed. >> fully agreed, larry, we need to do everything we need to protect those critical infrastructure. i would contemplate global structures and not have those national standards. and make the point from a cyber computer company's perspective, if we pushed for aúwe'd draw more money in the short term. the problem with that