and also with us, garrett vander wiese. jamie, let me begin with you, who is right? if you look at donald trump who says, look, this was a phone call. he points out that under president barack obama, the u.s. sold almost $2 billion worth of weapons to taiwan, is it significantly a big deal or is too much being made of this? >> it is a really big deal. there are differences of opinion on taiwan. there may be some national debate that we could have with the people that really know this issue to talk about how we should position ourselves or shouldn't position ourselves in the relationship. it is very tricky between taiwan, china and the united states. to do it in the equivalent of a drunken late night booty call -- >> oh, come on. how are these two things analogous? >> you heard kellyanne conway say, look, this was very planned out. >> the question is, was it really planned out given that president-elect bush -- president-elect trump, forgive me, hadn't consulted with the state department or the white house. i'm sure he had a small number of advisers. if this really is