so, the isle of wight in the south of england isn't split up, and has 104,000. and the western isles off the western coast of scotland isn't split up, and it has 26,000. >> how did you two meet? >> i think i first went to london in 1998, to begin an exchange. bill had been here on visits quite earlier than that. and our office had been notoriously not visiting foreign countries. but it became apparent that an understanding of comparative forms of government was to our benefit as parliamentarians. and so, i arrived on their doorstep and with no fanfare, but with a wonderful, warm reception by several of the clerks. >> when you say clerk, that's clerk in american. >> yes, yes. and it's the combined equivalent here of the parliamentarian, the clerk and the chief administrative officer. >> while you're there, give us your background. where's your home town originally? >> i was born in mount vernon, new york. i lived in scarsdale in new york for most of my life, and most of my youth, and went to amherst college in massachusetts, and the university of virginia law sch