we don't do oval things that the wiki leaks. the wiki leaks video has told us plus so much else our politicians and in the present circumstances it's almost a mockery to say so the politicians don't really love i mean our press tells us the truth al media by and large few things wrong with that but by log. is a free media none of these things are true and the sonship is a son to represent what i would say is too much truth. it is the most important political trial of this century certainly one of the most important of my lifetime and it's been virtually blacked out by most of the sort of coal misnamed mainstream media and no surprise to me but when you sit in court and listen to some of the truly shocking evidence indisputable evidence the just the day the what i would call the medical day describing what a songe was gone through with the evidence of professor michael kopelman and professor kate humphries both of them distinguish you're of psychiatrists. talking about the way the single human being has been punished for telling

one website published it well before even wiki leaks the guardian published the prosecutions and you know we timed the prosecution did we can he says more reach even if we keep expose them later. but they they all published the same thing and the. the 917 espionage act 103 years ago which has never been used against a journalist because in the united states the journalist and free journalism is meant to be protected by the constitution this is the 1st time. he's been it's been used the 1st time. and in my view if they get away with this if they send a sondre across the atlantic it won't be the last time it will be the beginning who will be next. you did detect someone hopefully some kind of change in the last 2 days of this 4 week hearing at the old bailey can you tell me a little bit about. my sense was that british justice has been so trashed by this trial unfold the so-called case management proceedings before it that an innocent man a man whose only crime has been biol infringement for which he received an unheard of sentence of almost a year in a maximum security prison with mur

we don't do oval things that the wiki leaks. the wiki leaks video has told us plus so much else our politicians and in the present circumstances it's almost a mockery to say so politicians don't really love i mean our press tells us the truth al media by and large few things wrong with that but by log. is a free media none of these things are true and the sonship has a son to represent what i would say is too much truth. it is the most important political trial of this century certainly one of the most important of my lifetime and it's been virtually blacked out by most of the sort of coal misnamed mainstream media is no surprise to me. but when you sit in court and listen to some of the truly shocking at the twins' indisputable evidence the just the day the what i would call the medical day describing why.

that the final verdict will be given in early january and for 4 weeks of evidence hearings the wiki leaks editors has visibly teary awaited and was arrested in april $29000.00 after the u.s. demanded is it to dition stateside he faces criminal charges for the good documents detailing u.s. war crimes in the middle east critics say his trial been unfair and that the conviction would pose a threat to journalistic freedom around the world going underground spoke to author and filmmaker john pilger is a people. it is the most important political trial of the century but if it goes hippies sent to the united states if his extradited he'll find a way to take his own life the whole hearing shouldn't have happened the only way he can speak to his lawyers is to get down on his knees it's been 10 years of incarceration of one kind or another there hasn't been due process. in this court that has been due revenge the son of was on trial for journalism he gave us too much truth told us about war crimes he told us about how governments lies american jurisdiction can cross any ocean and reach into any co

i'm action or towns here we're going underground a decade to the month of the wiki leaks release of the iraq war logs detailing the extent of torture and abuse carried out by nato coalition soldiers in the illegal anglo-american war on iraq coming up in the show award winning journalist and filmmaker john pilger known for films like the war on democracy the dirty war on the n.h.s. and the coming war on china and exposing imperial war crimes from southeast asia to that in america and beyond on 4 weeks of a london old bailey hearing that amnesty international claims could end global press freedom and why nato nations media appear to have tried to cover it up all the more coming up in this special episode of going underground with one of the world's greatest journalists and filmmakers john pilger who has been present at the extradition trial of wiki leaks founder julian assange is that has been taking place at london's old bailey john thanks for coming back on before we get to the testimony before we get to the amnesty international 40 n.g.o.s being barred the cia the burgling of lawyers i

who's become democratic candidate just tell me given that julian assange is the founder of wiki leaks is up the road here in belmarsh prison what is his view about leaking information in the public interest. the idea of a transparency and the and the very idea of the patriot act which you now have in the united states. you know unfortunately when it comes to leaking or it comes to really civil liberties in general there has been a longstanding bipartisan i've missed in deference hostility to all these things biden has been no exception he supported some pretty draconian crackdowns and because in the 70s in the eighty's i think you see in the book some say that he when he went by didn't want to go further than the cia did he took some stances that even the cia chief said well you know we don't want to go quite that far because under obama biden was pretty. as far as i've seen i don't see anything to conjure his reasons bordered by bombs war on whistleblowers. and and was very hostile it was true in signs from wiki leaks out expect that's of concern you i mean trump has really carried o

there are things in his favor, no emails, no wiki leaks, no james comey. people know about russia, people know about facebook and they know about twitter. people didn't like hillary. [no audio] andrea neal? of socials summer unrest, the summer of mask wearing come the year of covid-19 are issues that are actually different from what the country was facing in 2016. some ways to think in the election is going to be a referendum on the trump administration's policies on covid, online order. i think mike pence -- on law & order. i think pence is going to make a case on law & order. i think he's going to blame democratic leaders for some of the unrest we have seen that has resulted in violence. i think the republicans are hoping to capitalize on that. mike pence can claim a law & as he is a strong defender of law enforcement, full funding of police, and such. i think the 2020 election is a different ballgame from 2016. host: another twitter comment, this one saying "what do you think about pence's record in public health emergencies? outbreak and the pandemic t

of the death of death from a cut i want to see a multi use journalist described as a one woman wiki leaks for decades her reporting exposed organized crime and corruption on the small island state until october of 2017 when she was killed by a bomb planted in her car late last year we learned that powerful figures may have been involved in the killing those revelations led to the resignation of the prime minister among others not much else though has changed 2 men have been convicted for committing the murder what's missing are the convictions of the people who ordered it and the investigation into that has been marred by a lack of transparency and political interference the listening posts flow phillips now on a reporter killed for the work she did and how the late deaths make her want to see as journalism continues to make news. october 16th 2017 there are crooks everywhere you look at the situation that. these were the last words ever written by daphne caro won a pulitzer she was under no illusions she knew journalism had made her some serious and for decades she'd been a thorn in the

from wiki leaks like we did in 2016 when it was exposed that there was sabotaging bernie sanders who you are sorry get off but surely there is electoral sense here the fact is biden has can take your vote for granted in all of this support is vote for granted anyway yeah i mean that is the way they seem to be campaigning and i don't know why they didn't learn the lessons of 2016 or simply look at what the republicans of done over the years to over perform. the way that you want to campaign is that you expand your base and expand the people that you appeal to what bernie sanders did successfully and as he brought in people who had not been involved in the electoral process before that's why he would be killing trump right now because he'd have traditional democratic voters and an expanded base of brand new voters what biden did very quickly is he constricted that progressive base told them look you're not really welcome here i'm not going to be with medicare for all i'm not going to be with a green new deal i'm not going to say that people shouldn't die simply because they can't affor

robinson thank you so much for coming on we got a hint arguably of the global police state from wiki leaks they released the iraq war logs 10 years ago this week this month what is the global police state the title of your book i mean 3 things by global police state but let me put that in context by saying the starting point for the discussion of global police state needs to be this severe crisis of global capitalism the pandemic didn't create the .

judge and the final verdict will be given in early january after 4 weeks of evidence hearings the wiki leaks that is health has busily deteriorated and the rest is back in april 29th in the us demanded extradition. stateside he faces criminal charges for leaking 3 documents that detail the u.s. war crimes and the length that explain this trial has been unfair and a conviction because of corrective journalistic freedom around the world and he's going underground spoke to him or her and filmmaker john is a preview. it is the most important political trial of the century but if it goes hippies sent to the united states if his extradited he'll find a way to take his own life the whole hearing shouldn't have happened the only way he can speak to his lawyers is to get down on his knees it's been 10 years of incarceration of one kind or another they have. process in this court that has been due revenge the son of his own trial for journalism he gave us too much truth told us about war crimes he told us about how governments lies american jurisdiction can cross any ocean and reach into any country a

arguably of the global police state from wiki leaks they released the iraq war logs 10 years ago this week if this month what is the global police state the title of your book i mean 3 things by global police state but let me put that in context by saying the starting point for the discussion of global police state needs to be this severe crisis of global capitalism the pandemic didn't create the crisis it only made it much worse and in talking about global police state there's 2 dimensions i want to highlight one is the structural technically we call it over accumulation but it's a crisis of chronic stagnation in the global economy and the 2nd the men.

robinson thank you so much for coming on we got a hint arguably of the global police state from wiki leaks they released the iraq war logs 10 years ago this week this month what is the global police state the title of your book i mean 3 things by global police state but let me put that in context by saying the starting point. for the discussion of global police state needs to be this severe crisis of global capitalism the pandemic didn't create the crisis it only made it much worse and in talking about global police state there's 2 dimensions i want to highlight one is the structural technically we call it over accumulation but it's a crisis of chronic stagnation in the global economy and the 2nd dimension of that crisis is is political is one of state legitimacy and capitalist henschel money so i need 3 things by global police state and the 1st is we see a deepening the and the extension worldwide of transnational systems of social control of repression militarisation and warfare all around the world and we see that in order to contain the real and the potential rebellion of what i call i

robinson thank you so much for coming on we got a hint arguably of the global police state from wiki leaks they released the iraq war logs 10 years ago this week this month what is the global police state the title of your book i mean 3 things by global police state but let me.

very chilling because journalists have to use documents that are leaked or taken at times we know wiki leaks is on this as well has documents just because a document is hacked or leaked doesn't mean it's untrue. but what we actually started to say when discussing the f.c.c. and we often talk about regulation of social media here on so what power does the agency actually have to regulate social media companies. well that's the real question here you know i ship by the chairman of the f.c.c. essentially comes in and says because he's been contacted by members of congress we're going to take a look at how to enforce you know the section 230 and make sure that it's being followed but what can he really do a section 230 is essentially an act that says that you can't 1st of all let me be clear about this section $230.00 was created in regards to books in libraries right that's how it was a rigidly written so the fact that section $230.00 has been heavily applied to tech companies is kind of weird it's a weird idea that no law has been created since the boom of tech companies and social media that

google coming out and saying that any leaked documents that come from company into things like wiki leaks would be banned from their platforms and if anyone puts them up on youtube any information from leaked documents you'll have your account removed so it's not about the u.s. taking a stand and saying we believe in sincere shipped free platforms they're saying we want to control censorship on those platforms and we're going to accuse the chinese of doing the very same thing that we are encouraging right here in the united states every day a completely different subject much like like you're saying ban chris i want to turn to 2 chinese chip makers semiconductor manufacturing international corp or snake and they've taken that preliminary exchanges with the u.s. bureau of industry and security regarding some export risk. actions is there any chance that they'll see the us back off some of those attacks to they're now facing no i think it's going to be foolishly optimistic for snake to think that there will be any backing off or reconciliation at this point since both china and the us have

agency for international development and your wiki leaks we basically know that for 20 years now even before this was elected president usaid you had an eye on the u.s. embassy here wrote cables and warning that he was a power of warning that he was going to be popular and he was going to have the support of the bases so. 20 years ago 5 years before he even became president they started the strategy of trying to undermine him and part of what they did was they would finance these so-called civic organizations particularly in europe which has a strong separatist movement which is where they did just as represented where there are more kind of people of white european ancestry and so the santa cruz was very key in terms of carrying out this coup and a lot of the funding goes to not just. another camacho who's from santa cruz and who was one of the 3rd in the elections but really to everyone in the libyan opposition and you know liberals and like they receive funding from the u.s. and they have strong corporate ties of course and of course bolivia has vast lithium reserves and there's go

but we know focused on how has the nothing but 3 and a half years of of chaos are can we do from wiki leaks how bernie sanders campaign was sabotaged for becoming democrat presidential candidate 2016 would it make you feel in 2020 to hear any sound is a valid socialist would it make you feel to hear joe biden say there's not one single syllable i've ever said that could lead you to believe i was a socialist. other you know 1st off it. democratic socialism you know democratic socialism will if that's what joe. sander supports that's where our military comes from that's our public roads it's our public schools that's inoculation but why did you i didn't feel then why did biden feel it necessary to say this. i don't know i don't know why biden felt the way the reason to say that i do believe that steele no matter what i think bad is going to be head and shoulders above i think he's more presidential i think that he knows how to do the job for 8 years he was a vice president i think that he's going to do phenomenal science. for our country now would have rather solved you know bernie sanders or