other times it was wikileaks. now what they are doing today, the white house is doing today, nothing to see here. but look over at this dossier we know hillary clinton's campaign and the dnc paid for. are these political dirt-digging operations equivalent? >> no. one is asking a foreign government to meddle and the other is looking to see if a foreign government was meddling in an election. the way that the clinton folks and the dnc. and it's not broadly the clinton folks. it is is certain individuals. and same with the dnc. whatever their reason, whether it was client confidentiality, whatever reason, they were not forth coming about what was going on in terms of the dossier. the problem with that is when it becomes revealed later, it raises questions about motive. >> right. >> the basic question for the dossier, is the information in it true or not true? they have substantiated some of it. certainly not the most salacious stuff. but at the end of the day, the main question is not where it came from. the question

wikileaks, i love wikileaks. >> all the new charges, just came down today, wikileaks, brutal stuff. >> hillary clinton documents, released by wikileaks. >> wikileaks showed something i've been warning people about for long time. >> you know, wikileaks just actually came out, john podesta, said some horrible things about you. wikileaks, folks. >>> in january, wikileaks was described as a key element of the russian investigation. gru, russian military intelligence relaid material it acquired from dnc and senior democratic officials to wikileaks. candidate trump repeatedly talked about how much he loved wikileaks and how thrilled he was with the actions taken by wikileaks which we now know is on behalf of the russian military intelligent -- intelligence. mike pompeo, also praised wikileaks for its role. once he became cia director, noted in first public comments after confirmed that wikileaks is a quote, hostile intelligence service, often abetted by russia. now today betsy woodruff of "the daily beast" reported that the data firm that worked with the trump campaign during the election,

that's what wikileaks is.f step back into the campaign and remember donald trump's statements about encouraging wikileaks and how he loves wikileaks, he would say it over and over in the campaign. now you have this data firm reaching out to wikileaks for help in acquiring information about donald trump's primary opponent. his main opponent. i mean, that's, again, we're talking about a russian proxy that's stolen classified information from the u.s. government and distributed it previously. that's who the trump campaign and its affiliates -- these are the kind of people they were willing to engage with during the campaign. it's absolutely unacceptable, and others will decide about the legal ramifications but it should be politically unacceptable for any campaign do such a thing. >> jack, what's your reaction? >> i think wikileaks is a little bit like james comey. both parties have cussed them depending on who they were embarrassing. as we all know they released a whole lot of e-mails along the way that world le

wikileaks releases the first batch of podesta you mouse.t would then continue on a daily basis up until the election. amy: your response, julian assange, to adam schiff, ranking democrat? is not a credible person. he is just lying in order to score political points. i have been saying all of these things publicly, that we were going to publish information on hillary clinton before the election. amy: so this is -- got into its stupid head in fact that we were going to publish it on october 4 step that spread everywhere. roger stone's comments are responding to that kind of thing. -- i't want to feed into mean, i understand there is a weird psychological phenomena happening in the united states presently. i don't want to feed into it presently because i think it is essentially inconsequential in historical circumstances, unless it leads to a war with russia. i don't know what the trump campaign connections are with russia. i can only speak about us. it had no connections with us. we have no connections with russia. is the russians have done a

i can't confirm it was rejected by wikileaks. why did they reject that request? >> julian assange is the most reliable source about why they rejected that outreach from the trump campaign, but in my view, they were well advised not to embroil themselves in a partisan effort to gain dirt on an opposition leader, and that may have been the reason. >> the president, even today, once again, said this russia probe that you and other committees in the senate, robert mueller engaged in, he says that's a hoax. he says the real russia story is what happened back in 2010, the uranium deal approved by the obama administration to sell a huge chunk of u.s. uranium to the russians, and he said it's a huge, huge scandal. what is your response to that? >> the president has done everything he can, calling the investigation a hoax, bringing distracting issues to deflect attention from the potential obstruction of justice by his administration and possibly by himself into the investigation of russian meddling and trump alleged collusion with that meddling. that's the central focus

the change happening not long before trump professed his love for wikileaks. >> wikileaks is amazing. the stuff that's coming out. it shows she's a real liar. >> this wikileaks stuff is unbelievable. it tells you the inner heart. you got to read it. >> wikileaks, i love wikileaks. >> and julian assange himself has confirmed this e-mail exchange that it happened earlier today, he tweeted i can confirm an approach by cambridge prior to november last year and can confirm it was rejected by wikileaks. now, let's remember who we're dealing with here. when you think about somebody reaching out to wikileaks and asking for help to get hillary clinton's e-mails. let's not put it on a democrat or anyone else. put it on the current cia director. here he is on wikileaks just six months ago. >> it's time to call out wikileaks for what it really is. a nonstate hostile intelligence service often embedded by state actors like russia. >> so you have trump's own cia director basically saying assange is in bed with putin and you've got a firm working with the trump campaign asking assange for help. late

new reporting and on wikileaks outreach and how both stories have given campaign 2016 the fuel to drag to the end of 2017. william faulkner is right, past isn't dead, it isn't even past. we're going to lay out time lines, tease out inconsistencies so you can make sense of it. probably heard words like convoluted and tangled web. we're going to try to untangle them. beat by beat relationship with the trump campaign and the organization that would ask wikileaks about hillary clinton's missing e-mails. >> 11 days after donald trump's gop nomination. >> for the presidency of the united states. >> and two days after this infamous moment. >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> donald trump's campaign made its first payment to controversial data firm cambridge analytica. we're learning that same month another infamous moment occurred. cambridge analytica's ceo reached out to wikileaks founder julian assange, seeking access to hillary clinton-related e-mails and wikileaks began releasing hacked e-mails from the dnc. >> we have more ma

wikileaks releases the first batch of podesta you mouse.t would then continue on a daily basis up untilil the election. amy: your response, julian assange, to adam schiff, ranankg democratat? is not a credible person.. he i just lying in orderer to score polititical points. i have beeeen saying allll of ts things publiclcly, that we w wee going toto publish inforormation hillary clinton befefore the elecection. amam so this is -- got intnto its stidid head in fafact that we w wergoig to publish it on n october r 4 p that spread evererywhere. roger r stone's comomments are responding to that kd ofof thing. -- i't want to feed into mean, ii understd there is a weird p pchologicalal phenomena happening in the united statates presently.. i don't wa to feed intnto it presently y because i think it s esntially inconsequentntial in historicical circutances, unless it leads to o a war with russia. i i n't knknow what the trumump caaiaign conctionsns arere with russia. i n only speaeak about us. it had no coconnections withth . we havave no connecti

. >> a trump campaign contractor reach the out to wikileaks during the election. now the campaign is distancing itself despite paying the firm millions of dollars. >> i think it's a disgrace. i think the press makes me more uncivil than i am. i'm a very intelligent person. no hesitation. one of the great memories of all time. >> and it was quite the spur of the moment news conference at the white house. what president trump said about his intelligence, his relationships on the hill and more. good morning everyone. thanks for get ng an early start with us. i went to a state school. average student. solid. >> it's thursday, october 26, 5:00 a.m. in the east, 10:00 a.m. in niger. the closest connection yet between the trump campaign and wikileaks prompting many new questions this morning. daily beast first to report that the head of a data analytics company which worked for the trump campaign e-mailed wikileaks founder julian assange. >> sources tell them that the ceo was seeking tens of thousands of e-mails of hillary clinton deleted from her private server. let's t

explosive revelation data firm news wikileaks for access to hillary clinton's e-mails. was it legal and who knew? code names and captures. a classified briefing here on the niger ambush and we are learning about a secret operation involving the team and a terror leader. five decades after the jfk assassination, president trump expected to release highly anticipated government files on what happened. you are going to hear what to expect. stand by. let's start with a new revelation about the 2016 presidential election here in the united states. sources tell cnn a company linked to the trump campaign reached out to a controversial wikileaks founder julian assange in an attempt to dig up dirt on hillary clinton. the target was clinton's e-mails as her time as secretary of state. kaitlyn, what more do we know about the company and its links to the trump campaign and has there been reaction so far from the white house? >> wolf, we know this is a data firm hired by the trump campaign in the sumpter of 2016. what we learned yesterday is that the ceo of the company reached out t

on wikileaks. and obama's director of national intelligence on wikileaks just last night. here they are. >> it's time to call out wikileaks for what it really is. a nonstate hostile intelligence service often embedded by state actors like russia. >> one case where i completely agree with director pompeo about his characterization. that's what they are. >> julia, given that, how surprised are you that a data analytic company so central to the trump campaign reached out directly to julian assange to get dirt on hillary clinton? >> well i'm not surprised in the sense they have always been this odd, unknown entity that had a crucial role in the trump campaign, but also tentacles elsewhere. just quickly on michael's point. this isn't what we call in government a principle to principle call. it is the ceo to julian assange. this is not a staffer to some random person who posts on wikileaks. these are the two principles communicating over information that is you know, essentially information that the russians would have wanted out. and i want to also say that there's nothing any

and wikileaks has been called out by the u.s. intelligence community as a propaganda arm of the russians. so this new revelation, wolf, establishes the closest known link between the trump campaign and wikileaks, and it happened while trump was on the campaign trail increasingly criticizing hillary clinton for deleting thousands of e-mails from her private server. we should mention the daily beast was first to report the e-mail outreach to wikileaks. just a short time ago, the trump campaign head sent out a statement seemingly off of use catersing the core issue -- to help elect president donald j. trump and he claims of voter data played a key role in the victory are false. as you see, wolf, the statement doesn't have anything to do with the main issue here of data firm hired by the trump campaign reaching out to wikileaks about clinton's stolen e-mails. wolf? >> very interesting, indeed. the reaction from the trump campaign very interesting. pamela brown, thanks very much. >>> joining us now, the ranking member of the house int

wikileaks was releasing these e-mails last year. not hillary clinton's e-mails we don't know if a third party obtained them. but wikileakss with directed connected to russia by the intelligence community. this new revelation established the closest connection. >> thank you. after the daily beast published its story, the trum campaign responded in h the same down playing the role of cambridge analytica. after president trump locked up the nomination, one of the most important decisions we made was to partner with the republican national committee on data analytics, we were proud to have worked with the rnc and relied on them as our main source for data analytics. he claimed that photo data from any other source are false. it paid cambridge an lit ta almost $6 million between the republican convention in mid july and mid december of last year. >> a former fbi informant getting a green light from the justice department to testify before congress about russian's efforts to buy uranium in the u.s. coming after house republicans launch an

. >>> new details this morning on the trump campaign and wikileaks. a data analytics firm hired by the trump campaign paid almost $6 million reached out to get help hacking clinton's 30,000 plus deleted e-mails. >> no sign wleikileaks e-mails d rejected the overture from the trump team. wikileaks did release some hacked e-mails for the democratic party, democratic national committee, and hillary clinton's campaign share when then candidate trump talked about for months and months and months. cnn's shimon prokupecz is on this story and what can you tell us? >> that's right, john. the head of cambridge ana lit tick, a data firm hired by the trump campaign contacted wikileaks founder julian assange to see if he obtained e-mails connected to clinton's campaign. assange confirmed so much in a tweet that the chief executive alexander knicks reached out but said the request was rejected. knicks we're told sent an e-mail to several people including top trump donor reeling he had e-mailed assange. no one from the trump campaign was copied on the e-mail, but th

wikileaks. i love wikileaks. this wiki leak stuff is unbelievable. it tells you the inner heart. you have to read it. the e-mail shows that hillary clinton staff even has to give her secret notes on when she needs to smile. smile, hillary. smile. the hillary clinton documents released by wikileaks. this is solution and corruption of the highest order. >> you see the dates on that video. that's about a year ago. candidate trump had a lot to say in the final stretch of the campaign. now fast forward to today. sources say a data an lytics firm made contaction with the firm and started working with for the trump campaign. the goal is to access and catalog the hacked campaign and democratic e-mails that wikileaks into the ahold of. they got the e-mails from the russians. we can't forget this. >> russia, if you are listening, i hope you are able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> what does this mean? a data firm, jared kushner was involved and steve bannon and the mercer family and the data came in and they were important to the campaign in the end. they said can we see th

that offer from cambridge analytica to wikileaks is very important.f you're looking for evidence of the trump campaign getting them to help out, that looks like a big deal, right? here's the trump campaign data firm offering to literally help more efficiently distribute to the democratic documents had the russians had stolen. that's potentially huge, right? here's the problem with that. if that offer went to wikileaks in june of last year, the first important thing to know about that is that in june of last year, cambridge analytica didn't start working for the trump campaign. they started with the trump campaign in july. also, about that timing, we don't know exactly when in june that overture was made from cambridge analytica to wikileaks. because of that. we can't assume they knew the stolen democratic e-mails they were offering to help distribute, we can't assume they knew the e-mails had been stolen by the russian government. the first public reporting was june 14th. if cal bridge analytica made the before, that maybe they had no idea that what t

this goes beyond the campaign tactics of the data firm reaching out to wikileaks. so this will be part of a puzzle with other pieces, such as roger stone telling the hill he had an intermediary who connected him with julian assange, and according to the p wall street journal, there was a reach out to the dark web. to be clear, the idea that the data firm reached out to wikileaks alone, does not meet a crime at face value and we should note there have been no criminal accusations. >> josh green joins the panel. you wrote an article where you were embedded, with 12 days to go in the data operation of the trump campaign. and you saw that -- cambridge analytica people there. >> yeah and i talked to some campaign officials with direct knowledge of cambridge analytica and confirmed the report that we did back in october. there were 13 people there as part of the cambridge team, they all reported to the campaign's digital director. they did three things, polling, ran hundreds of thousands of surveys, helped id potential donors and persuadable voters. but the big takeaway

let's start with the wikileaks stuff. the head of cambridge analytica contacted julian assange to see if there was a way to unearth hillary clinton's lost e-mails from her private server. they were certainly interested in those. >> it sounds like raiders of the lost ark. look, the data operation i think is a principle focus for investigators. because i think one of the questions everyone is wondering now that we have more information, probably not all the information we're going to have about the extent of russian use of social media to target vote issers in the u.s. is whether somebody sitting at a basement in moscow, 400 pounds on a bed, as donald trump said, knew where to target in michigan or what county to target in wisconsin. so that whole area is at the center of what a lot of people are wondering about. so this does not directly address that. >> right. >> but it does suggest the willingness to reach out to those -- >> it shows a relationship but in the opposite direction. not wikileaks -- not russia coming to the

wikileaks. i love wikileaks. >> we see so much from these wikileaks. >> wikileaks? did you hear this? >> wikileaks. unveils horrible, horrible things about hillary clinton. >> boy that wikileaks has done a job on her, hasn't it? >> betsy woodruff broke this story. let me start with this. why did donald trump's secret team contact assange in. >> according to the team with two sources of not in the congressional investigation, alexander nicks, the trump campaign paid millions of dollars to for work that it conducted during the election system, nicks himself said that he reached out to assange in hope that's cambridge analytica would be able to help assange public and distribute 30,000 e-mails that have reportedly been deleted from the private server she used while she was secretary of state. those were something of a great white whale for republicans during the election. all sorts of republicans were desperate to find them. there was a host of theories as to what could be in them. there were lots of efforts to track them down. those efforts were going on in the trump

it was reaching out to wikileaks. in fact, reaching down into the gutter because remember, wikileaks' business model is to take information, stolen often by foreign governments like the russians, and then publicly size it without any regard to the harm done to men and women in uniform or others who are cooperating with us abroad. and cambridge analytica well knew that business model. >> it's very possible, though, that it was just coincidence. just coincidence that candidate trump,up, said this that press conference russia, if you're listening, you know, if ufr got the 33,000 e-mails, we'd love to see them or release them or whatever the actual words he said. two days later they start paying cambridge analytica and later that much analytica makes the outreach to wikileaks. when you put out a timeline it looks like it's all one piece. it could be a coincidence. there's no evidence that president trump said reach out to wikileaks. >> point number one, it could be all coincidence, but it has to be coupled trump campaign

that offer from cambridge analytica to wikileaks is very important. if you're looking for evidence of the trump campaign getting them to help out, that looks like a big deal, right? here's the trump campaign data firm offering to literally help more efficiently distribute to the democratic documents had the russians had stolen. that's potentially huge, right? here's the problem with that. if that offer went to wikileaks in june of last year, the first important thing to know about that is that in june of last year, cambridge analytica didn't start working for the trump campaign. they started with the trump campaign in july. also, about that timing, we don't know exactly when in june that overture was made from cambridge analytica to wikileaks. because of that. we can't assume they knew the stolen democratic e-mails they were offering to help distribute, we can't assume they knew the e-mails had been stolen by the russian government. the first public reporting was june 14th. if cal bridge analytica made the before, that maybe they had no idea that what

he told us so. >> wikileaks. i love wikileaks. >> he said that during the campaign while wikileaks was releasing those e-mails, the hacked stolen e-mails from the dnc and from clinton campaign chairman, john podesta. we hear this morning an analyst that was doing work for the trump campaign called cambridge analytica reached out to wikileaks during the campaign, and what they wanted help on was the 30,000 plus deleted e-mails from hillary clinton's account. with us betsy woodruff. >> the head of cambridge analytica, a data firm hired by the trump campaign contacted wikileaks founder, julian assange, to see if he obtained e-mails connected to clinton's campaign. now assange confirmed on twitter that chief executive reached out but said the request was rejected. nicks send an e-mail to trump donor rebecca mercer reeling he e-mailed assange, and nobody from the trump e-mail was copied on the e-mail. you will call wikileaks was responsible for releasing hacked e-mails from the dnc that u.s. intelligence said were sto

so basically saying wikileaks was a propaganda of the russians. that's how it was being used during campaign. the intelligence community made a link between wikileaks and the russians during the campaign. >> betsy, can you explain why would someone from this company reach out to julian asang. was the offer if you have them give us the e-mails we'll help distribute them? wikileaks don't have a problem distributing stuff. >> i can't give you the direct communication but one thing we know without any doubt is that those 33,000 missing e-mails were something of a great white whale for the republican party in the lead up to election day. republican operatives specifically looking for those e-mails. president trump brought them up in one press conference, which he later claimed this was a joke. trump said he hoped if russian had those e-mails that they would release them. so the current president then candidate, personally sanctioned efforts to dry to obtain those 33,000 missing e-mails. it's not surprising that someone leading a company that was deeply

one of the closest connections yet between the trump campaign and wikileaks.ead of cambridge analytica, a research company contracted by the trump campaign, reached out to wikileaks founder, julian assange, to get access to thousands of hillary clinton's e-mails. cnn's pamela brown joins us now with more. can you take us through the time line of what we know how this came about. >> reporter: i will, because the time line is important in understanding the relationship between the trump campaign and cambridge analytica. it seemed to begin june 2016. that was two days before the campaign made its first payment to the firm. trump was on the stump, as you may recall, anderson, asking the russians to hack hillary clinton's missing e-mails. and now we're learning in that same time frame another infamous moment occurred. the head of the firm reached out to wikileaks founder julian assange asking if he needed help with clinton-related e-mails. a request that julian assange said on twitter that he rejected. the firm was, in part, founded by wealthy republican donors, th

we don't know exactly when in june that offer was made from cambridge analytica to wikileaks.f that we also can't assume that cambridge analytica knew the stolen democratic e-mails they were offering to help distribute, we can't assume they knew those e-mails had been stolen by the russian government. the first reporting was june 14th. if they made this offer before june 14th, maybe they had no idea what they were planning to do is weaponize documents. maybe they didn't know. now if the offers happened after june 14th, after it became public knowledge that those documents were stolen by the russian government that would be a different story. that would be an interesting thing to figure out if that's ta t case. is the overture before or after june 15th, before or after you knew those things were stolen by the russian government. that puts a spotlight on cambridge analytica. they should probably explain the specifics of that time line so they knew what they were doing in making that overture and whether they knew they were offering to help a russia intelligence operations. so th

i love wikileaks. oh, we love wikileaks. boy, they have really wikileaks!love reading those wikileaks. >> stephen: okay, but that's just locker room talk. there's no proof-- there's zero proof that they tried to team up with julian assange, other than this: "trump data guru: i tried to team up with julian assange." but when he was asked about it, wikileaks founder and mike pence in witness protection, julian assange, tweeted, "i can confirm an approach-- prior to november last year-- i can confirm that it was rejected by wikileaks." that's right-- a fugitive, wanted by the c.i.a., trapped in the ecuadorian embassy for five years, rejected an overture from what could be the next president of the united states. "who's that on the phone, donald trump? i'd rather go to gitmo." some days, i would, too. because things are rough out there right now. which is why it's important to take the little pleasures in life and then totally ruin them, because i just heard about this investigation that alleges haribo gummi bears are made using slave labor. >> jon: oh! >> step

they view wikileaks as a hostile intelligence service. >> it's time on call out wikileaks for what it is. >> this tension newly important because we're learning ball trump's digital campaign secretly trying to reach out the what pompeo called a hostile intelligence service at the height of the 2016 election. so what does it mean legally? i'll give you a special breakdown. there are some overlapping legal and criminal liability questions and we believe based on our reporting, it will be a concern to investigators and to bob mueller. we make it easy to seize the day, so you can get more out of life and medicare part d. just walk right in for savings that will be the highlight of your day. walgreens has $0 copays on select plans and 100 points on prescriptions. so, swing by and save today. walgreens, at the corner of happy & healthy. i tabut with my back paines, i couldn't sleep and get up in time. then i found aleve pm. aleve pm is the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. i'm back. aleve pm for a better am. discover card. i justis this

during the campaign, 137 times donald trump praised wikileaks. that's collusion. >> on the hillary clinton story, i'm assuming you're going to be saying the lawyer who was hired is not the campaign and therefore may have done stuff on their own. >> i'm not saying that. he's an agent of the campaign. if he hired that firm, he hired that firm. campaign would be responsible. >> you don't buy cambridge was some rogue people that reached out to wikileaks. they were a contractor to the campaign in the same way. there's nothing wrong with getting opposition research and hiring investigators to do that, but that is true. there is something wrong with reaching out to wikileaks, i believe, which was in possession of stolen material that the russians hacked. makes a huge difference. >> but they were communicating with the mercers who were the biggest supporters of trump. the idea this is some rogue group of people that aren't somehow connected to people who are decade to electing donald trump. they don't have to have been the biggest operation or the most i

so just because someone went to wikileaks, who i think many people regard wikileaks as just a skill atcquiring information that people don't want acquired, but it doesn't necessarily mean any kind of connection with the russians. >> did you say winning tool or witting -- >> well, we held that the e-mails that were hacked from the dnc were hacked by the russians and then through a cut out given to wikileaks. wikileaks, assange, of course, denied any connection whatsoever and that the russians are given them these e-mails. we had pretty good proof that that's what happened, so that's what i meant that he's not a witting tool of the russians. perhaps an unwitting tool but not witting the. >> the trump campaign tried to distance itself from analytica. i want you to listen. this is a senior executive for the company at a conference. this is may of 2017. >> we started working with the trump campaign in about june of 2016. when it became obvious that a sophisticated data apparatus would be noticed by ensuring that every campaign stop was driven by data and reflecting what was currently being

if they were pressing wikileaks to help unearth more e-mails, you are okay with that?mpaign was not doing that. >> the data firm that you were using, and paid $6 million to did that. >> they reached out to julian assange. i have already told you it's completely unnecessary because we beat her on the issues and continue to. people are writing about our discussion and earlier in your broadcast two commentators mentioned we just like to talk about hillary, you are talking about hillary. i will make a deal -- >> let's move along with the interview and not mention her. let's not mention her. you treat her book like it's not fiction and everything else, and you allow people from her campaign on your network for the last year to sit there and never admit they paid millions of dollars for this phoney dossier work. >> it seems hard for you not to talk about hillary clinton. >> you brought her up. >> let's not talk about her for the rest of the interview. let's do that. >> awesome. >> let's move on. one last point on wikileaks, are you saying you knew nothing about the data that

this establishes the closest known link between the trump campaign and wikileaks. we should also note "the daily beast" was first to report the e-mail outreach. anderson. >> so this firm reached out to julian assange in the summer of 2016. that was right around the republican convention? >> that's right. it was shortly after donald trump became the official republican nominee. and so the e-mail reachout happened around that time, and then-candidate trump was on the campaign trail referencing clinton's 33,000 missing e-mails. here's what he said. >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> so all that happening around the same time. now, the trump campaign today responded by distancing itself from cambridge analytica saying quote, once president trump secured the nomination, in 2016, one of the most important decisions we made was to partner with the republican national committee on data analytics. it also went on to say, we as a campaign made the choice to rely on the voter data to help elect president donald t

do you participate in a conversation with wikileaks about getting that out. when you're investigating there's data and interviews. this is a gold main. i want to know every time anybody from the trump campaign spoke or e-mailed or texted with cambridge an lit what, what the content were. when done junior said he was speaking about immigration issues, what is adoption and when we learn from the e-mail -- as we said as a candidate donald trump -- i remember him giving a speech where he said i live wikileaks of the his own cia director has a very different view of them. >> he sort of changed his tune as soon as he became the director. he said that wikileaks was a none state hostile intelligence service that was doing the bidding for u.s. adverse others like run. wikileaks was like a paup arm. russians. that's how it was being used during the campaign. and the intelligence community made a direct link between wick i weeks and the raurnls during the campaign. >> lets i, can you just explain why would someone from this company reach out to julian assange? i mean, w

what do you think of the wikileaks connection u.s. intelligence has linked julian assange to russian intelligence. does it concern you that cambridge analytica was reaching out to him? >> yeah. well, i think one of the questions that has to be answered and one that's been rattling around in my mind is on this -- on another aspect of the operation that the russians ran this social media operation, how did they know where to target and which voters to target and what the profile of the voter was that they were targeting? these are generally functions that are informed by analytics of the sort that cambridge analytica does and did for the trump campaign. and i think one of the things that the prosecutors are probably trying to discern is did the russians have any help in identifying their targets, which would be one more arrow pointing back at cambridge analytica. i don't know if the answer is yes, but that's certainly a plausible path to follow. >> david, hillary -- >> i think that's a great point, don, just to echo what david was sayin

. >> juliette, this story is significant because of the wikileaks ties to russia. talked about julian assange and so on. here's trump's own cia director. watch this. >> time to call out wikileaks for what it really is, a non-state hostile intelligence service often imbedded by state actors like russia. >> how important is the relationship between wikileaks and russia to mueller's investigation? >> well, it's significant if there are ties between the trump campaign or members of the trump campaign via wikileaks or directly to russia. that's still the question that mueller is clearly looking at. but just something on cambridge analytica which no one is saying, they're a data mining organization, do what's called psychoanalytic analysis, they get data and target it toward voters, relatively benign in most elections. what's their interest in the e-mails? i mean, steve bannon had been a vice president. so the idea that this was part of their business model is ridiculous. this is part of an attempt to contact wikileaks to get hillary clinton's e-mails. had nothing to do

julian a saung added this, and can confirm it was rejected by wikileaks. clinton's deleted emails have no so far not resurfaced and sources are not clear whether alexander nix the ceo of this campaign and analytica was hired by the trump campaign. so let's go through this in detail. we have our panel, and jeffrey our chief legal analyst and chief former prosecutor. just beginning with you on the legality of this do we know the campaign broke any laws? >> we certainly do not. that's important. but i think a lot of people find these confusing. let me see if i can break this down. you have the trump campaign and cambridge analytica which is the data firm associated with it. and we the trump campaign was frndly towards russia, candidate trump saying lots of nice thing about putin. we have the russian government, which was interested in helping trump win. >> yes. >> but the investigations are all about is whether there was any connection between the two. any so-called collusion. and what makes the daily besce p scoop so important is it establishing a thing betw

it was right around the time that the dnc e-mails were released by wikileaks. it was just before the kickoff of the dnc, the democratic national convention, that wikileaks did this data dump of the dnc e-mails, around the time that allegedly alexander knicks sent this e-mail to julian assange. >> do you get the sense that revelations like that might be the reason that you see this almost sort of hysteria to get some other russia related story that targets democrats? they've listed literally every democrat they can think of. eric holder should go down, james comey should go down, hillary clinton and even bob mueller. do you think those two things are connected? >> i think they are. joy, this isn't watergate. this is stupid watergatewatergat you're absolutely right. there's something big coming. i think that these people are worried and the best they can do is do a preemptive attack on whatever it is that's coming. we don't know what that is. the fact that these things are coming out now when there's no reason to rebut anything is for lack of a better word curiou

there was some obfiscation back in 2016 about where wikileaks got this data from. our intelligence team said where it was from. they said, no, they had an inside source and several commentators said they had an inside source. i think this now puts that to rest. we know that the original source goes all the way back to the spring well before we knew that wikileaks had contacts with the russians. that means that the russian intelligence had information that they were trying to give to somebody to influence our election. >> they were trying to peddle so-called dirt on hillary clinton from e-mails from whatever hacks had taken place before wikileaks dumped that out, before we knew publicly about the hack. >> exactly. and that's really important. my theory, of course, i'm theorizing, i'm speculating, they probably thought it was best to use as a kind of insider data transfer to someone, and maybe this particular gentleman, papadopoulos, was the one. then they changed gears and decided to go public with it. the fact is they were trying to use this information to influenc

and then on july 22nd, wikileaks leaks dnc e-mails. damage the dnc, but nothing damaging to hillary clinton. on july 27th, that infamous news conference where he makes an apparent reference to clinton's deleted e-mails saying this. >> russia, if you're listening i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. i think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. >> this is all part of the fishing phase. also around this time a republican operative named peter smith who claims to be in contact with trump officials such as general michael flynn is out in the world of political operatives trying to get clinton's e-mails through the dark web, trying to assist in that endeavor. also sometime this summer a chief executive of the data firm the trump campaign hired, cambridge analytica contacted wikileaks found er julian assange to try to get him to give them access. to clinton's private server. assange says he turned them down. august 21st confident tweets trust me, it will soon be podesta's time in the barrel, # crooke

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. >> wikileaks admits, the trump campaign solicited stolen clinton e-mails from them. >> i love wikileaks. >> tonight, the new report and what it means for the investigation. >>> then -- >> i actually think that's watergate, modern age. >> that relates to the real russia story. >> the conspiracy theory from an alternate universe aimed at taking down robert mueller. >> mueller has to be fired. >>> plus senator elizabeth warren on the republican vote to gut consumer protections. >> i'm really glad to see someone like jeff flake speak up, but what really matters are not words, it's the actions. >> and in the age of weinstein, o'reilly, and trump, an exclusive interview with jane fonda and gloria stein m when "all in" starts right now. >>> good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. as the white house and allies furiously spend counternarratives about the russia scandal, wikileaks confirmed today that what was previously just conjecture. the trump campaign itself was soliciting stolen clinton e-mails. in the last few days, the president and associates and conservative media and on capitol hi

run by paul manafort -- i'm sorry, steve bannon and this potential sort of outreach to wikileaks. run by paul manafort -- i'm sorry, steve bannon and this potential sort of outreach to wikileaks. so, i mean, i think for a lot of people it is very confusing. this sort of russia scandal is so far reaching. do you think that there's news this week to break through to get to the answer as to why? >> well, i think that the most consequential news if confirmed is the mueller charges. that just signals a complete escalation of it all and also reaching out to julian assange in the campaign. that's a really big indication that -- first time we have seen that an entity working with the trump campaign was reaching out and trying to get hillary clinton's e-mails from an entity that the u.s. intelligence community declared a foreign intelligence association essentially. >> when they did that in july there was a pretty strong public record that the russians were behind the stealing of the dnc e-mails and other materials so they literally saying we'll get in bed with someone probably working wit