britanni editor said the people who visit wikipedia is a visitor to the public rest room.professionally edited entyke peed yaws. >> and they no longer print encyclopedias. >> that is right. i love the old entyke peed yaws a . encyclopedi encyclopedias. you hired a ph.d. in fill loss see. >> failed. >> pick peed yaw without central plan succeeded. >> you have a thousand people who were pretty pufull-time at this for nothing. >> it is something you find interesting. you will do it for free. >> you have all of these entries about bridges you want to make sure it is really good. >> having none at the top it sounds risky. what's to stop people from Âstuff?o stop people from >> it gets converted quickly. >> it is within five minutes. >> anna nicole smith died yesterday. >> when anna nicole smith they wrote something vulgar it was reverted quickly within one minute. >> whales shows voluntary exchange works best. american medicine by contrast is dominated by central planners. 7 out paid not by the patient but by someone else, government or an insurance company. >> they accept the

wikipedia locked up the page.arted a couple of years ago when mental floss website said it wasn't male or female. the page said garfield was based on his grandfather and he said something new this week. he said, what is going on? and that's why we are in the predicament we are in right now. i don't think it's a big deal. >>> an investigation is under way after video emerged where fishermen appear to have caught a great white shark juvenile in california. normally a move we could all applaud? >> it's gone viral on the internet. they've look to see if a crime was committed. great white sharks are protected. >> eat them. guided. >> fishermen are required to release them immediately on the men who took the video said the shark was thrown back in the water but an expert said injuries made it unlikely that the sharks survived. >> shark rights, who knew? >>> people of all faiths are making this lent challenge go viral. >> it's called 40 bags in 40 days and i love stuff like this. here is the challenge. every day during l

folks at the wikipedia foundation, the people who oversee wikipedia are incredible thinkers on these issues of how to open up discourse, how to, you know, discuss and explore and make real the promise of technological change. i've met with them, and i've been blown away by how much they think. they're in san francisco. and, again, i don't speak for them, so maybe they won't thank me for this. but i'd recommend trying to to contact them. i think other folks who want to expand the discourse will find a group of folks there who are in a very, very exciting, not-for-profit, small d democratic way interested in doing kind of what c-span tries to do, which is open up discourse and dialogue on big issues. and so that's my answer to your question but, again, with the proviso that i'm not, not a business counselor. >> host: john nick also, the subtitle of your book includes the phrase citizenless democracy. what do you mean by that in. >> guest: it's what terrifies me the most. when we say a citizenless democracy, a lot of people say, oh, that means people not voting. in the united states, we

yes, i googled and figured out what wikipedia had to say about landing on the mood. an internet search on how to land on the moon? absolutely. laughs did it have any useful information? yes. it said there had been 85 attempts and i think every second attempt failed to the moon. six years later, there are about 100 people working very hard here and it certainly looks like they know their space stuff. star wars in particular. even the toilets are appropriately labelled. and they've built themselves all the things that a serious space company should have, like a mission control room, a model lander that makes smoke and a simulated lunar surface complete with a rover to go in it. just like national space agencies, testing every component and simulating every stage of the mission is a huge part of what they're doing here. we're making sure we do everything right. we're just not making it fancy. we're going to make it frugal, specific to the mission, but there's absolutely no corners that we're cutting. and, to look at it from a more philosophical way, we have one shot to

. >> is wikipedia valuable to you? >> yes.from reading my wikipedia entry that it's highly inaccurate but i will use it like if somebody stole -- i'm dead in wikipedia. no. i use it because it's cheap and easy and fast and it's general and i have learned if you want to nail down, confirm it with some other source besides wikipedia because you never know. >> what's inaccurate about the entry on you and did you have any input in that? >> no, there are people i know who are always trying to fix things. the last time i looked at wikipedia it made two huge points about me, one is that i'm a libertarian and one that i'm an atheist. this is true. i don't write about politics directly. i don't advocate anything and i never write about religion, really, except generic jokes, but somebody who thought that was great, at least the way i read it, it made it sound that what i am an libertarian atheist writer. you can argue what i am but that's not what i do and do not think myself as and i don't know people reading would ever know or care a

wikipedia >> guest: no. people in the east didn't know. they knew more about italian. laguardia was mayor of new york, his parents were italian citizens and the governor of san francisco, his parents were italian. the italians work work work and tried to stay away from paperwork so they never became citizens. now we are seeing people become citizens, particularly hispanics, becoming citizens because they are afraid something like this can happen again and it can because the supreme court never ruled it was unconstitutional. robert jackson, that of the court said this is like a loaded gun on the constitution is the government, the military can round up people they want for no reason. >> host: let's hear from patricia in illinois, you are on with historian and author richard reeves. >> caller: hello. i wanted to ask if anybody knew about a move to improve conditions in the camps on the west coast? my reference point is i was obliged to babysit a case as a 9-year-old for a baby named charlotte mary wellman whose father had been sent to replace a very bad man who was in ch

among the big corporate names knocked offline, amazon, paypal and even wikipedia. >> reporter: the focus more on detecting and responding than preventing them. cyber experts are now warning of another imminent threat. 13,000 telecom, power, water and other utilities in the u.s. that they believe have lax cyber security. >> hack kers could walk right in. it wouldn't require very high-tech tools. >> reporter: growing concern about a big jump in ransom ware attacks where hackers gain control of the computer and hold the network hostage until they are paid off. it's happened to hospital, community colleges, police departments, even the st. louis public library where hackers locked up 1400 computers and demanded $35,000. >> it turned every computer at the st. louis public library into a brick. >> reporter: because the library backed up the system, it refused to pay. an attack likely plotted on the dark web where anything goes with hackers leaving few tracks for law enforcement. tom costello, nbc news, london. >>> there's a lot more ahead tonight. >>> crossing the line, could employers get acc

etch wikipedia. the focus is more on detecting and responding than actually preventing attacks.cyber experts are warning of another imminent threat. 13,000 telecom, powers, utilities in the u.s. >> it wouldn't require high-tech tools. >> reporter: meanwhile, a growing concern in a big jump in ransom ware attacks. hackers gain control of a computer, hold the network hostage until they're paid off. it's happened to hospitals, community colleges, police departments, and the stachlt louis public library. they demanded $35,000. >> it basically turned every computer at the st. louis publicly brar into a brick. >> reporter: because the library backed up its system, it refused to pay. tom costello, nbc news, london. >>> just ahead, spending over $5 billion celebrating st. patrick's day. >>> and understand the of great deal. from whiskey to doughnuts. ...and on... ...and on. that's why i... ...make time for myself... ...and give my body some love... ...with aveeno® daily moisturizing lotion. its active naturals® oat formula... ...locks in moisture to improve skin wellness in just one day

among evidence from the icloud account, authorities say a screen shot of eichenwald's wikipedia page with a fake date of death one day after the alleged attack. today, eichenwald who believes he was targeted because of his criticism of donald trump, thanked law enforcement agencies involved in the investigation on twitter, saying dozens of others sent similar flashing tweets adding "details of their cases are with the fbi. stop sending them." >> we need to get ahead of this because it is dramatically changing. it changes every minute so far on the internet. >> reporter: marking a new way to commit crime in the digital era. maya rodriguez, nbc news. >>> there was a new warning about north korea today from secretary of state rex tillerson. he met in beijing with his chinese counterpart who called for restraint on north korea ahead of tillerson's meeting tomorrow with china's president. janice mackey frazier has more from beijing. >> reporter: in china, secretary of state rex tillerson faces his toughest meetings yet. his mission to pressure beijing to use its clout to rein in north kor

even wikipedia. the world spent $80 billion responding to cyberattacks last year.focus is more on detecting and responding than actually preventing attacks. and cyber experts are warning of another imminent threat. 13,000 telecom, power, utilities in the u.s. that believe have lax cyber security. >> hackers could walk right in. it wouldn't require high-tech tools. >> reporter: meanwhile, a growing concern in a big jump in ransomware attacks. hackers gain control of a computer, hold the network hostage until they're paid off. it's happened to hospitals, community colleges, police departments, and the st. louis public library. hackers locked up 1400 computers and demanded $35,000. >> it basically turned every computer at the st. louis public library into a brick. >> reporter: because the library backed up its system, it refused to pay. an attack likely plotted on the dark web, where anything goes with hackers leaving few tracks for law enforcement. tom costello, nbc news, london. >>> just ahead, spending over $5 billion celebrating st. patrick's day. >>> and tons of

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so in the area of wic wikipediae did a great job and they really dominate wikipedia and in the area of google searches the help of the former ceo of google, th did a tremendous job so republicans have a lot of work to do still. technologically -- bob. >> during the research for the book, i know you met with a lot of your sources, and did you come across some stories that you wanted to put in the book but you just couldn'tsome you know validate? >> it is your turn to get into trouble. but curious if you have the story, if you wanted to validate the the story or you tried to get it in there and editing took it out. >> the editor sarah can speak better to this for me. but editors at hashet were thorough like where did you get this, and who was it and attorneys so were occasionally some not good enough but most of them multiple stories like for example the story of hillary when she learned that she lost the election. and when it dawned on her that it is probably going to slip away. that i didn't want to put that in when it first came out because it seemed like voyeurism and seconds source

so in the area of wikipedia she did a great job and they really dominated wikipedia. in the area of google searches with the help of the former ceo of google, they did a tremendous job. so republicans have a lot of work to do still technologically >> during the research for the book i know you met with a lot of your resources and did you come across stories that you wanted to put in the book but you just couldn't fit in? >> now it's your turn to get into trouble. >> i'm curious if you had stories that you wanted in their the editor can speak better than me but that others were very thorough. the attorneys, we spent almost a week and going over, where did you get this, and there's attorneys who there occasionally were not good enough. most of them most of them when hillary that she lost the election, i did not want to put that in when it first came out. seem like voyeurism. i was not sure was true. in the second source said no shattering glasses screams profanity, anger, tears. there was all of this going on. the second source wasn't good enough but after three sources

, she did a great job and they dominated wikipedia in an area of google searches with the count of theormer ceo of google, they did a tremendous job so the republicans have a lot of work to do technologically. >> during the research for the book did you come across stories you wanted to put in the book but you couldn't validate? >> now it's your turn. ifyou don't tell the stories, you have stories that if you wanted them in there but you couldn't validate the story where you tried to get it in there but maybe heading, you couldn't get out . the editors are better than me but the editors at high ship were very thorough. the attorney spent almost a week going over where did you getthis , what their attorneys would say so there were occasionally some not good enough. but most of them we have multiple stories like for example the story of hillary when she learned that she lost the election. and when it dawned on her that if she let slip away, i didn't want to put that in when it first came out because it seemed like voyeurism. i wasn't sure it was true, then the second source said karen ga

hopefully, in the near future, i will be able to announce with wikipedia new steps and funding to deal with harassment and trolling. the platforms are standing up, but these are really old, tough problems to deal with. last week, somebody reminded me of a fake news attack from a octavian who faked something from mark antony because he wanted to raise support to go after mark antony and cleopatra. you also want to be quiet about how you talk about it, because when you talk about technique, the bad guys are listening to what you are saying. you will see it pop up in black hat discussion boards. you don't want to leak stuff until you are ready to do something. ed: i take your point that it is not new. but what has changed? in 2004, we had the swiftboat versus the bush national guard story. both were stories that had some factual basis. they were important. they were fiercely disputed -- the veracity was disputed. each side accused the other of proffering phony, fake news. what has changed now? what is different in the news environment now than in 2004? catherine: i think some parts of it

that's what wikipedia says. >> stephen: okay.oment of spring because it's a new year, and they celebrate, within a two-week period, we celebrate pretty much everything we celebrate in america over the year, we do it all in two weeks. it new year, so it's new year's eve. we give gifts because it's like christmas. we color eggs, so it's like easter. with we go door to door for treats, so sort of like halloween. >> stephen: do you get in costume and go door to door? that might freak people up in march. >> no, it's not a good time to dress up in costume if you're iranian. i don't want to be deported yet. ( laughter ) it's actually interesting because you see -- like the way in america, we've taken these traditions and we've put it on steroids. so, for example, the gifts that we give in the persian new year, my father, when i was a kid, would sign a $2 bill and give it to me and say, here you go, son, happy new year. in america you get bikes and video games and all kinds of stuff. >> stephen: no christmas for you? >> well, we do chris

we are looking at a list wikipedia has sent out.are executables, proof details of actual attacks. it does not mean they were not done. but it means that something could still be out there. documents are still being analyzed. -- sayss says bci tools ci tools could be used. >> a beautiful son out there. a: 30 in singapore. we are half an hour away from trading. gorgeous in the lion city. i am betty liu here in new york. let's get the latest. >> thank you. sources say china has taken action. during last week's people's conference in beijing. regulators have ordered large mutual funds to end net selling. chinese stocks have fallen to the lowest since the 1990's. investors are prepared to buy shares if necessary. with are pictures aired kim jong-un overseas during missile launches. s werehaad missile launched over the seas. three of them landed in japanese waters. the north says that there is a rehearsal for invasion. many republicans and conservatives have a task to replace the affordable care act. rand paul called it obamacare lite. a

rather than going on wikipedia or reading some box articles to go what to think, as most do, she decided to go to the countr country. the immigrant dominated neighborhood was torched by riders last week. what did she find? thank you for coming on. you always learn a lot when you go on a plane and go somewhere. what did you find? how did it differ from what you found? >> i expected to find what a lot of people have been saying, it's like there is nothing wrong, sweden is beautiful.. i see none of this, i live here. i expected to see the sweden i imagined. christmas cards or whatever. when i got there, it's a very different story. within ten hours of landing, and asylum center was burned down. arson suspected. there is a hand grenade found in a bin. when i rushed there to find out what had gone on, i was told well, why politicize this? why make this a political thing? why can't it just be a hand grenade in a bin outside a mosque? i kind of felt like who is a mad one here, me are you? speaking to the women in particular, they are much quieter and have a quieter storn that is not being told.

but i looked up somewhere that-- on wikipedia or?yland had been invented for kids with polo. so i made a musical about qidz polo. ( laughter ). >> stephen: i hesitate to ask what the dance numbers were like. ( laughter ). >> well i didn't-- i didn't exactly know what polo was at the time. i just thought it was, like, a cough. ( laughter ). >> stephen: you didn't know what polo was, and you were not aware that writing existed? >> no. >> stephen: do you have people write fanfiction about you? >> oh, yeah, yeah. >> stephen: have you read it? >> i never go looking for it. it always finds its way to me. but what i really-- i say-- it's always very-- it's like "50 shades of colfer" sometimes. i'm really very touched that everyone describes me with abs. >> stephen: i have never had the honor. >> it's great. >> stephen: chris, lovely to meet you. thank you for being here. >> stephen: book number 11, "stranger than fanfiction," is available now. chris colfer, everybody. we'll be right back with roy wood, jr. stick around. store and download i

>> brian: they do list you as a straight shooter on wikipedia.aughter] what you can save up president trump, never done before, out of the ordinary, an anomaly, he would say it another way. for donald trump to be the one to come out and say that is huge. in the history of the country, we've never had a past president like that, although we've had internal fights before. what he's trying to say, what donald trump is saying, is i'm hearing things about my organization that only people who have tapped the lines could possibly know. there is no rush in here, and that's one thing we picked up when we interviewed him. there's nothing going on with russia, that's what we found out we interviewed him. he's a saying i welcome an investigation. out of nowhere, he says we read transcripts, because evidently, some russians were being tapped and they were talking to some trump associates. he's putting this together. they say we have six sources that have come up and said that there were reports of wiretapping that's going on there. he put together the case th

he added this to wikipedia. >> change that computer.a bit of "chips," the movie? [ cheers and applause ] >> here it is right now. >> what? >> no, no, you're a better shot than me. >> like jimmy -- take it. >> man up, john. >> i'll do it. i'll do it. okay. >> jesus, john. john. >> okay, okay. you got to aim ten degrees to the left. go. oh. >> are you aiming ten degrees to the left? >> fire. >> ooh. [ cheers and applause ] >> i know. >> whoa! >> good morning. >> everybody is going to love seeing you on that. a lot of scenes on the bike. >> yes, i'm a big, big motorcyclist. it's my number one hobby and so this movie was purely an excuse. oh, yeah, i was born atop a motorcycle. this whole movie was an excuse to ride that thing around. that's me with the camera on the front of the motorcycle. >> to justify it to kristen, it's work. >> it's paying the bills, all right. putting bacon on the table. >> but the first time we met he pulled up on a bike like that and i was like, that's a cool guy. >> at a dinner party? we've dined together in yes.

>> she got wikipedia and wikileaks confused a little bit. scared to death. maybe she thought she was going to prison. he is guy benson. plays him is on tv. thanks, guy. >> thanks, guys. >> i love that, thanks guy, thanks guys. this tablet is usually $229. today it could be yours for under 100 bucks. our megamorning deals. steve: let's talk to the megaman up in ten minutes on the channel. >>> what is true and spin, we'll sort what we know on the flynn matter in a moment. jason chaffetz in studio to answer questions on that. can the president and conservative house members shake hands and move forward. newt gingrich with analysis on the way forward. jeff sessions on the fate of leakers in d.c. it's a busy friday. see you in ten minutes, top of the hour. calcu... shall we initiate the restart sequence? ♪ thrivent mutual funds. managed by humans, not robots. before investing, carefully read and consider fund objectives, risks, charges and expenses in the prospectus at thriventfunds.com. ♪ ainsley: are you ready did i to save some serious cash? e

. >> pack it with information, whether wikipedia, foreign soaps, information, education, videos of alls. >> the organization sets up its eye-catching exhibit at seents like south by southwest, urging people to donate their old flash drives by popping them in these slots. then they work with defectors like yeongmi to determine what type of content should be loaded on to these drives. how do you get these into the hands of north koreans? >> it goes up into the air, into north korea. the timer opens up the bag. it's very low tech. the bag is packed with flash drives, leaflets, all sorts of things. >> an estimated 7,500 flash drives were sent into north korea by all outside organizations in 2015. in 2016, that upped to 10,000 and the goal for 2017, drop 50,000 flash drives. >> providing this sort of information allows the north korean people, the new society, as i describe, separate themselves from the state. this doesn't necessarily mean revolution. but it does mean a society that's more independent. >> reporter: an opportunity to see the outside world. and the freedom that comes with it.

and i was reading these reports about them hacking into the elections and then giving information wikipedia and the trump team. people were going to moscow. there was a lot of reporting on this. so i got worried that the process wasn't being followed with regard to capitol hill, with regard to congress. wasn't clear to me that the white house was keeping them in the loop. and that was really important. especially since we were about to have a transition in the government. >> let me get to you, heidi. you've been patiently waiting. tell me about the politics of everything this afternoon. the senator estimated would it take some time, six to eight months. that puts us closer to the mid-term elections and that's looming over all of this. how do you see it this. >> nothing will get done on capitol hill if this gets hotter and hotter. and it essentially coup lly culn an independent to come review this information with adam schiff calling a press conference. one could guess that he is going to talk about receiving this. and perhaps his intentions on following through and to see the information. p

. >> whether it's wikipedia, foreign soaps, education, information and all sorts. >> it has set up itsing exhibits at south by southwest urging people to donate their old flash drives by popping them in these slots and then they work with defectors like onme to determine what type of content should be loaded on to these drives and then the big question is how do you get these into the hands of north dorians? >> it goes up into the air into north korea, the timer opens up the bag and it's very low tech and the bag is packed with flash drives, leaflets and all sorts of things. >> according to the human rights foundation, an estimated 7500 flash drives were sent into north korea by outside organizations in 2015. in 2016, that upped to 10,000. and the goal for 17, drop 50,000 flash drives. >> providing this sort of information allows the north korean people the new society, as i describe, separate themselves from the state. this doesn't necessarily mean revolution, but it does mean a society that's more independent. an opportunity to see the outside world and the freedom that comes with it

was reading these reports about them hacking into the elections and then giving the information to wikipediale. on the dark campaign of fake news, you know, that's still on going. we see even someone like myself get sweeped up in all of this. liz: right? >> and when people like me are speaking on behalf of process, people spin it to suit their needs, and i think it may be that the russians are behind even such fake news. liz: all right. now the white house wants congress to dig deeper into the communication here. i mean, russia's medaling. they do propaganda. sput in it. medaling in france and germany. they've been doing that for decades. what do you think about this story backtracking here? >> well, this is one of the best i've ever heard. evelyn made these statements and then goes on television again and gets swept up into fake news, so she has no control over herself? it's ridiculous. look, evelyn setting her aside, we know that i think it was back on march 12th, the new york times published a long story explaining how the obama administration had decided essentially the same thing she's

i have to have the wikipedia page out to kind of keep track of all the characters. >> seth: lot of charactersre bay, there's always something going on in adventure bay. [ laughter ] good thing ryder's there. [ laughter ] >> i only show my baby, myself on the tv. that's my thing. i will only -- i will dvr anything that i'm on, and i'll make her watch that. >> seth: oh, gotcha. >> yeah. >> seth: is that having an effect? >> it's a terrible idea. it's terrible -- she's terrified. >> seth: well, you're in a lot of adult stuff. >> i'm in a lot of risquÉ things. >> seth: i mean, i love you in "transparent," but i don't think that's for kids. >> it was a terrible idea. should not have had her watch it. >> seth: yeah, that's not for kids. >> that's where you're wrong. "transparent" should be for kids, too. you know, get them in early. >> yeah little kids. >> seth: just real little. >> brand-new babies. >> seth: so this show is about -- like ride sharing. >> yes. >> seth: okay, and -- >> we just thought that -- we're big fans of -- of making people >> seth: yeah. >> and -- and we just thought it would

it's not on me. [ laughter ] >> i'm on her wikipedia page and it says that jennifer lopez was engagedways say i'm like a handsome ben affleck. [ laughter ] >> seth: who says that? >> i think i heard amber and jenny say it once. [ laughter ] >> bitch, i try not to even look at you. [ laughter and applause ] >> i said you looked like a melted ed norton. [ laughter ] >> oh. >> i see it. >> oh, yeah. >> mike, no one in this room believes that you dated. >> i know my man jermaine does! >> we don't have a friendship. [ laughter ] >> all right. well, i'm a gentleman so i'm not going to tell you guys what base we got to, but -- first. >> seth: mike, i need you to admit to all of us that you're lying. and then we can get on with it. >> wait -- shut up for a second. who is that? >> you know, i guess -- i don't know where i'd go. somewhere hot, somewhere warm. >> seth: what the hell are you talking about? >> oh, come on. i know you're a family man, but that woman on the "today" show is insanely hot. >> seth: mike, that's jennifer lopez. >> that's jennifer lopez? >> seth: i thought you said you t

it's when you write a term paper using only wikipedia and a thesaurus. [ light laughter ] for examplerote in her term paper, george washington was the primogenial president of the united states, and he expired in 1997. [ light laughter ] i'm pretty sure she wikisaurus that [ bleep ]. [ light laughter ] our next new teen slang term is "spudly." let's see the definition. it's a description of someone who used to be a stud, but now kinda looks like a potato. [ laughter ] for example, brandon used to have an eight-pack back in high school, but i saw him at the gym during thanksgiving break, and his belly looked all brown and lumpy. boy's down right spudly. [ laughter ] up next, we have "doobie howser." let's see what it means. it's a doctor who you think is probably high. [ laughter ] here it is in a sentence. told my doctor that my head hurts and throat is sore and he just said, "whoa, that sucks, man." while eating a bag of spicy cheetos. #doobiehowser. [ light laughter ] very helpful. it's very helpful term to use. our next term is very new, it's called "skeeve bannon." here's the defi

if there was involvement on the part of the trump administration in the wikipedia hacks -- that is a crime. >> okay. that's great. but listen to who they are talking about. who are the people involved in the trump campaign that were quote potentially clueding. none of them have experience this this area, none of them are hackers, none of them are folks who have understandings of how this works. what's the collusion? >> senator, it's bigger than the hacking. this is about a disinformation campaign. this is about a program that the russians have which they have used, you know, in countries around the world before. >> right. >> and that's what the fbi is focused on. because they want to know what happened. and for us to understand how it happened and to prevent it from happening again. >> what evidence do they have that any of the people that we are talking about had any role to play? >> we don't know. >> i agree. in the end this is going to be a political issue. >> we don't have evidence that it occurred. and you don't have any evidence that there was some beneficial -- something that

and was reading these reports about them hacking into the elections and giving the information to wikipedia and trump people, trump team people are going to moscow, there was a lot of reporting on this. i got worried the process wasn't being followed with regard to capitol hill, with regard to congress because it wasn't clear to me that the white house was keeping them inhe loop and that was really important especially since we're about to have a transition in the governnt. >> and there's also some indication this was potentially brought to the white house as a tension in part through conservative media. eli, is is it plausible that the comments she made were something that national security officials, that's not out in the public domain? >> listen, i know her and i should say that i think -- i watched the original "morning joe" clip and watched her interview and she was a little different when she was on in that forum because she did talk about kind of hearing from people in the government about stuff. but that's what i do. it's what we all do as journalists. we talk to people in the gover