joining me is my colleague wilbur ross from "closing bell" and -- from the washington post.hs, of course and the best we could have hoped for, perhaps was a turning of the corner and putting in the bottom of the relations and seeing it improve from here, and i would say i was encouraged by seeing them chat there as they walked away from the service, and again, i think there's a long way to go. i don't think things are solved today, but thanks encouraging to see. what i would just add, though is neither of them based on various conversations with family members ahead of the service were thinking about themselves. this isn't about them today. it was about their grandfather and mourning his loss and celebrating his life and their grandmother, being there to support her and that was the primary concern coming into today. >> how deliberate was it to have the three of them walk out of the chapel together? would that be something that they intentionally do knowing that there are cameras on them? >> no, i don't think so at all. i think you could say some things in the lead-up were i