later a professor at harvard his name was also wilkens. the chicago illinois republican okens as opposed to the democrats. >> how did the commission changed? >> i called something about being with friends, among friends. the commissioners were all saying to themselves, these are good, solid democrats or liberals. they're going to do everything we say that needs to be done. now is the time to get it all done. they did not know the behind-the-scenes body kennedy, i call him bad bobby, not a good body became later. they were all making fun of the commission. these people keep recommending all the stuff and it think we will do this. it was in that there were hostile to civil rights. the problem was that the committees in congress were controlled by democrats to or from the south and who were racist. and mississippi and someone, mcclellan, they were the people to control the judiciary committee and everything that happened, and the control judicial appointments. so instead of the friendly reception that they thought they would get they did not

. >> ross wilkens, thank you very much, indeed. to the committee corridor where there was a grilling for the child sport secretary over what's been labeled the main line franchise fiasco. sir richard branson's virgin trains originally lost out. virgin challenged the decision, and the outcome was scrapped when serious flaws in the bidding process were discovered. at the transport committee, the minister said the two train companies had been given different information. >> we've got the interim laidlaw report which can only be described as a damning indictment of the department. and the report found that the department knew the process was flawed and lacked transparency, that it's changed the rules at the last minute without telling the bidders and acted unfairly and was aware it was open to legal challenge. and in view of all of that, secretary, do you wish that you had asked more questions within the department before you came to the conclusion that you were content with the way things were being dealt with? >> i did ask questions,