one of those was the va secretary, robert wilke.he is a senate-confirmed member of this administration. so if, in fact, president trump decides to fire secretary of defense mark esper, robert wilke could slide in as an acting secretary of defense. that was among the conversation. what's unclear, it seems there are still a number of people at the white house, people who influence president trump, who were encouraging him not to make a change ever be the election. as you know, that would be seen as a sign of turmoil at top. a major cabinet member being fired right before an election. but the reality is, that is always a possibility. the most recent split that the two have had was just this past week, when president trump, very vocally, tweeted about stars and stripes. earlier this year, when the pentagon budget came out, secretary esper announced that, in fact, they were cutting all funding for stars and stripes, which is a censutury old, 150 yr old independent publication that goes primarily to u.s. troops and u.s. veterans all aroun

the o,e second oh is -- o is where the confrontation with john wilkes booth took place. for the people of st. mary's county, it was their livelihood and for these men, their final resting place. trade, communication, even marriages and the george washington family had been focused on virginia for the folks in southern maryland forever. it was a lot closer to them than other parts of the state. to.as easy to get it provided their livelihoods, it is where they fished, it is where they woke -- worked and they share the waters with the virginians, so they knew each other. they married each other. they do not really care what was going on in the rest of the state of maryland. when federal troops came in and occupied maryland, the people along the potomac did not care. there were not involved. life just went on for them as usual. all their dealings continued with virginia but now they had to be more cautious. now it was illegal to trade with virginia, but they didn't care. they just kept doing it. the troops that were stationed in the area knew what was going on. the even new

i also want to get your reaction to this potential shake up. >> well, i know robert wilke well.ogether in the pentagon when he was an assistant to secretary defense don rumsfeld. he's a straight shooter. he cares about his commission over there and veterans affairs. i don't think hesitait's signif for him to say he's never heard the president utter a negative comment. what is significant is the potential shake up, as you say. here you see where secretary esper has crossed wires with the president. for example, on correctly deciding to rename bases named after confederate generals, on taking confederate flags out. i think he's crossed wired with the president. i think his job is at risk and a pretty logical move in a cabinet would be to pull someone with dod experience over to dod. >> congressman, the president attacked the billionaire who owned a majority stake in the atlantic. he said steve jobs would not be happy his wife is lefting money he left her on a failing radical left magazine and is run by a con man. call her, write her, let her know how you feel. congressman, aside f

here, i am in wilkes-barre, the former city attorney says is wilkes-barre, so there's a debate about that, but i talked to a bunch of people here and some democrats and some republicans think if you ask them how their neighbors are going to vote, they think it weans this area trump but it's going to be close. the economy is really driving the day here and that is tied directly to the coronavirus. so that is why you're seeing all these visits. as president pence will be here and i'll do an interview later, but you will also see the president coming back to this area and what you haven't seen in some democrats are wondering whether joe biden is going to come to the specific area, scranton where he grew up is just about 20 miles away. >> dana: tell us about your interview with the vice president tonight, he is now in full campaign mode, drawing a contrast as he does in his convention speech last week. >> definitely, and he has had a workers for trump event as i said just up the road, actually going to be in exeter and after the event, we will sit down and talk to him live on special rep

but pennsylvania is going to be awful close. >> i was going to ask you about scranton and wilkes-barre, of course it's the birthplace of joe biden, but we've seen the vice president repeatedly going there. the president was there when joe biden was giving his acceptance speech as counterprogramming. two weeks ago. >> no question about it. and i think joe will do better than hillary there, which is good, because he'll cut into the trump margin in the northeast. donald trump will do well in the rural areas, fairly well in western pennsylvania. the key is how badly he loses in the suburbs. he's going to lose the city by almost half a million votes. the question is how badly he will do in the suburbs. i think he's up to now done almost nothing to attract and keep those suburban voters who voted for him four years ago. remember, he was an unknown quantity four years ago. >> what about joe biden inspiring a bigger black turnout than hillary clinton did in the city, in philadelphia? >> there's no question. number one, you saw the affection that african-american voters have for joe biden durin

and some of these sources that you cite are general officers. >> so secretary wilke served in the navyeserve. what's your reaction to what he had to say? >> well, he has needs to have a one-on-one conversation with general kelly. general kelly will tell him. he is -- and that is the sad part that these patriots that have joined trump and have become his enablers are right now helping him instead of holding him accountable, they are enabling him to continue to damage our democracy of our democratic institutions. there is no doubt the content of the article in "the atlantic" are correct, are true. the folks in coming days will come forward and will certify that. >> how do you know, sir? have you talked to people who you believe will come forward and verify on the record these sources -- these reports? >> i have not spoken to anyone, but i am witness to what he spoke about senator mccain, it's public record. he continues to deny, his white house continues to deny. but the record speaks for itself. it is public information. it is available to anyone. >> so that's different from these alleg

joining me now the secretary of veterans' affairs, robert wilke. mr., thank you for joining me this morning. >> thank you. >> as you know, i just referred to the atlantic broke the story this week saying that the president privately called americans who died in war losers and suckers and on a 2018 trip to paris that is where it allegedly happened. cnn has confirmed the president referred to fallen u.s. service members as crude and derogatory. have you ever heard the president disparage u.s. service members or veterans? >> well, absolutely not. and i would be offended, too, if i thought it was true. again, i think anonymous are the same people that brought you fake heart attacks, fake strokes, russian collusion. so i am very proud that this president has led to a renaissance at veterans' affairs and one of the reasons i'm glad to be on cnn is that it was cnn and jake tapper that blew the lid off the scandals in the last administration when it came to veterans' affairs. your own polls in 2014 and 2015 had a 37% approval rating for the obama/biden adminis

nixon talked about did not mention wilkes-barre or scranton, it did not mention west virginia. our bill was far more effective. the bill introduced and sponsored by senator douglas was far more effective in trying to stimulate the economy of those areas. second, he has mentioned the problem of our older citizens. i cannot still understand why this administration and mr. nixon oppose putting medical care for the aged under social security to give them some security. third, i believe we should step up the use of our surplus foods in these areas until we're able to get the people back to work. five cents a day -- that is what the food package averages per person. fourthly, i believe we should not carry out a hard money, high interest rate policy which helped intensify the recession of 1958, and i think helped bring the slow-down of 1960. if we move into a recession in 1961, then i would agree that we have to put more money into the economy, and it can be done by either one of the two methods discussed. one is by programs such as aid to education. the other would be to make a judgm

you haven't spoken out about the disastrous policy of governor wilkes to mandate that nursing homes,ne of which is right here in our district, that nursing homes take covid positive patients. that is a travesty because 70% of the deaths are because of that policy. >> mr. parnell, thank you. i want to talk about health care. since we are doing well in time, we will give you extra time to hash things out. both of you traded jabs on twitter this week about health care. i figured we would leave it kind of open and let you continue that conversation. how do we fix health care? rep. lamb: here is a really important fact about where we are starting from. , ify, as a matter of law you have a pre-existing condition, meaning asthma, cancer, diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure, and yes covid-19 -- if you have suffered from any of those things, if you are suffering, if you have a history of acne, if you are pregnant, if you are a woman, you cannot be discriminated against because of those pre-existing conditions. insurance cannot deny you coverage. they cannot charge you more for. they

you not spoken out about the disastrous policy of governor wilkes to mandate nursing homes, one of whichs right here in our district the nursing homes and take covid positive patients and that was a travesty because 70 plus% of the deaths here in western pennsylvania or because of that policy that you've been silent on. >> mr. parnell, thank you. i want to talk about healthcare. because were doing well in time i want to give you extra time here to hash things out. both of you traded jabs on twitter about healthcare. i figured we would just leave it open here and let you continue that conversation. how do we fix healthcare? >> it's important fact about where we are starting from. today as a matter of law if you have a pre-existing condition meaning asthma, cancer, diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure and yes, covid-19. if you have suffered from any of those things and if you are suffering and if you have a history of acme or pregnant or a woman you cannot be discriminated against because of those pre-existing conditions. insurance companies cannot deny you coverage and they can't

. -- today three msnbc officials tell us white house talked to wilke about taking over as defensive secretary if donald trump fires mark esper. we learned last week the revelation from stephanie wilcox that she taped conversations with her former friend melania trump to protect herself -- misuse of funds but trump -- in a tell-all book from michael cohen, he paints his former boss as a i cheat, liar, fraud, bully, a racist, a predator, a con man who made overt and coadvertise attempts to get russia to interfere in the 2016 election. according to "the washington post" and he trump loved putin because the russian leader had the ability to take over an entire nation and run it like it was his personal company, like the trump organization, in fact. cohen's book also details donald trump's racist insults and hatred and contempt for former president barack obama. according to the new york times describes mr. trump hiring a faux-bama where he belittled the first black president and fired him. in an interview, michael cohen described his biggest fear about the upcoming election. >> do you think he wi

there must have been some magic in that ♪ silk hat on his head 'cause when finally took it off ♪ john wilkesm dead, oh ♪ abra-ham lincoln blah blah gettysburg address ♪ at one point, george stephanopoulos asked the president to reflect on his pandemic response. >> could you have done more to stop it? >> i don't think so. i think what i did, by closing up the country, i think i saved two, two and a half, maybe more than that, lives. >> stephen: two and a half lives. i saved jon cryer, charlie sheen, and that little half man. we miss you charlie. then, we do miss charlie a little bit, don't we? little bit. the one undecided voter faulted trump for opposing the wearing of masks, but trump knew who to blame. >> i will say this, they said at the democrat convention they're going to do a national mandate. they never did it, because they've checked out, and they didn't do it. and a good question is, you ask, like joe biden, they said, we're going to do a national mandate on masks. he didn't do it. i mean, he never did it. >> stephen: that is a brutal takedown of president biden! you know what, now

election officials say it appears an election worker's decision to throw it nine military ballots in wilkes-barremounted to a mistake and not intentional fraud. democratic secretary of state says the elections office is getting training on handling mailed in ballots, at least seven of the discarded ballots were marked for president trump. the commerce department says the gross to medic product fell at a rate of 31.4% in the april to june quarter, however economists predict the economy will expand at at least a 30% rate in the current quarter as businesses have reopened and millions of people have gone back to work. wall street had a big day due in part to news of restarting negotiations on another coronavirus stimulus bill. more on that in a second. the dow gained 329, the nasdaq was up 82. reaction and analysis of the debate from pollster frank lutz. thanks for being here, i know you talked to a bunch of folks after the debate, tell us who they were and what they said. >> it's the first time this has never been done in political history. we brought 15 people together via zoom from all the swing

this election, joining us, dylan from fox 56 and bulk of the citizens a voice newspaper come also in wilkes-barrehere. >> thank you, bret. >> what do people care about here? you heard the vice president hitting on some themes. what about the voters? >> you see the signs out there, jobs, jobs, jobs. they hereby energy, they care about fracking. they want to roll their sleeves up and put food on the table for their families, so jobs will be the number one priority for voters here. spoon democrats today think that this area is going trump and they have democratic friends who say they aren't voting for trump but they are. >> in 2016 you saw it coming a mile away. there was a groundswell of support from people here for trump. a lot of conservative democrats are persuadable. >> bret: does that really translate? is there a hidden trump voter here? >> absolutely. look at luzern county, it was blue and swung for trump in 2016. just across the border went to hillary clinton last time in 2016 beer going to be very close. 40,000 votes in 2016. .7%. that's the narrowest margin and about 170 years or so since

they become virginia wilkes. they become the most created people in the world because psychological androgyny, that is having masculine and feminine traits which are remarked asmasculine and feminine, god knows why . that's really connected to creativity and gender norms, abiding by gender norms are really connected to the things we've been talking about in the culture about toxic masculinity or about eating disorders with girls. so queuing to gender norms tends to be bad for children and rejecting them tends to be good for children so if your child is doing that without you pushing them to, you should be psyched. >> that's so inspiring lisa. i think everyone smiling. >> i turned them off, i don't know who's who. >> what was it like for you. you had done all the research and you interviewed all these people. was there anything you experienced while you are writing thebook ? what was the writing experience like for you. i know i was super forward. amazingly everyone lisa came to me with a manuscript and there was

relative to how republicans normally do, is northeast pennsylvania, it's places like scranton, like wilkes-barre an incredible 20 to 30-point leap there relative to how romney had done in 2012. one of the things you're seeing in this new monmouth poll today, you were talking about this a few minutes ago, big gains for trump specifically with men actually in pennsylvania. and i think potentially he needs to, you know, be running you want running up the score in northeast pennsylvania, get the levels he got in 2016 there. one thing that poll is pointing to is, he's not quite there but he's not that far off that right now, potentially. >> steve, thank you. i want to bring in jeremy, look, polls tell us a lot but so do conversations. you talk to a lot of people on the ground. give me a sense of what you're sensing out there. is there, for example, a soft spot that you see for the president that the polls aren't picking up? give us your overall sense. >> reporter: chris, i think first of all you just need to look at the biden campaign's reaction over the last couple of days. and what are they doing?

that's the wilkes-barre area. nine ballots were found discarded. 7 were cast for president trump. who had been resealed. it is not known which candidate those ballots favored. >> now, the first person to actually break the story was not a reporter. it was the president himself in a radio interview yesterday m n morning on trump tv. >> these ballots are a horror show. they found six ballots in an office yesterday in the garbage can. they were trump ballots. eight ballots in an office yesterday in a certain state, and they had trump written on it, and they were thrown in the garbage can. this is what's going to happen. this is what's going to happen, and we're investigating that. >> by the way, him getting the number wrong twice, even changing it in the middle of his spiel but never getting it correct is like really perfect. okay. so within a few hours, right, trump says that. it's like, oh, they found trump ballots thrown out. the u.s. attorney then for the middle district of pennsylvania puts out this statement announcing, indeed, his office and the local branch of the fbi were co

this is where wilkes-barre is. obama won this county. barack obama won by five points in 2012.asically 20. they had a 25-point swing there toward the republicans. these are population centers. you got a lot of voters living here. we talk so much about the suburbs and democrats making strides in the suburbs. helps democrats across the country but we have to remember, we have to remember those gains in those suburbs are -- they have been offset in 2016 by tremendous strides for trump in places like scranton. can he hold on to those strides in 2020? can he build on them? that's his challenge. >> a sleeper issue there, fracking and false statements about biden's position. to be continued. we'll spend a lot of time on pennsylvania coming up, steve. thank you very much. >>> legendary georgetown basketball coach john thompson's life is now being celebrated. he was the first black coach to lead his team to an ncaa championship. he became a mentor and a father figure to generations of players. "the washington post's" front page today held him as lifting disadvantaged youngsters by deman

wilkes-barre winning in 2016, baem winning by five. you have a swing of 25 points. are the biggies in terms of population centers. that you saw in east pennsylvania, in southwest pennsylvania as well. you saw it in wisconsin, throughout michigan, the midwest, that's the trump coaliti coalition. that's what powered him in 2016. big change, we talked about this a lot. used to be suburban. suburbs are the growth area for democrats. these are the kinds of places where trumps made gains in '16, where he's got to hold them in 2020. >> fascinating. steve kornacki and maura barrett in pennsylvania, thank you so much. >>> i want to bring in charlie sykes from the bulwark and jonathan capehart, opinion writer at "the washington post." both are msnbc contributors. i want to talk about some of the key issues that may or may not move the needle at the battleground polls. we saw joe biden coming out swinging against charges by president trump that he caters to left wing radicals. here is part of what biden had to say. ask yourself, do i look like a radical socialist with a soft s

john wilkes booth and henry clay and darwin and the sky shores who invaded the keyboard. somehow you've manage, it's this magnetic power of area if you can gather all the other. in your acknowledgments to talk about that. you say at the beginning you talk about this story, the man of the crowd and how there's this central figure, he spots into was once arrested and absorbed my whole attention. tell me about like how you think of the way, i don't know if you want to explain that analogy to the poe story that it's not a traditional biography, your book, write? so how does strang work with all the rest of history? >> at least three good books about strang and they are very good, i'm not being the list the dismissively. they can to treat them as either a footnote to mormon history or a michigan story, a midwestern story. one of the books is called the assassination of the michigan king. from the start i saw strang as a lightning rod for all the enthusiasms and social movements and apocalyptic fears of the age. i just saw them as this embodiment, of this crazy crazy time. as m

into your narrative and the honorary and pt barnum and emily brontË and charlotte brontË and john wilkesooth and henry clay and darwin in the sky who invented the keyboard and somehow you managed to, it's this magnetic power to gather all that up and in your acknowledgment you talk about that and say at the beginning talk about this post story, a man of the crowd and how there is the central figure and he spots a manhood once arrested and absorbed my whole attention and so tell me about how you think of the way, i don't know if you want to explain that analogy but how, it's not a traditional biography book. how does strength work with all the rest? >> string at least three good books about string and they are very good but i'm not being the least bit dismissive here. they tend to treat him as either a footnote to mormon history or a michigan story, midwestern story in one of the books called assassination of a michigan king. from the start i saw string as this lightning rod for all the enthusiasm and social movements and apocalyptic fears of the age and so i just saw him as this embodime

wilke echoes a lot of the white committee arguments. >> we must band every effort to keep britain afloat and let us be very clear as to this fact, we cannot keep britain afloat with mere words. [ applause ] we cannot keep britain afloat with no risk and undelivered goods. [ applause ] any such policy of that spells destruction. it is the most dangerous course that america could possibly pursue. we cannot defend freedom that way. >> the danger is not aiding britain. you say it's dangers to aid britain. it's dangers not to. our freedom is at stake. that's the dangerous thing. not helping great britain fight its fight. the air waves in 1940, 1941 were filled with speeches like this. a major public figure could go to the radio networks and request time and probably be granted 15, 20 minutes to speak on one of the major networks. they didn't always speak in these set pieces. sometimes they actually had debates, face-to-face debates. there were a number of programs on the air, on the various networks, that were designed around this concept. it was america's town meeting of the air, the univers

senator daines sides with the wilkes brothers who gave him $50,000 to block access to date hundred thousand dollars of real estate interests that threaten our public lands. as i have done as governor, i will bring democrats and republicans together to get things done. senator daines is out for corporations themselves. i will always protect montanans. that is what i have done and that will never change. i would appreciate your vote. thank you and god bless. john: thank you. senator. sen. daines: five generations ago my great great grandma settled east of conrad north of great falls. she left a legacy of faith, family, and freedom. those are the same values cindy and i passed along to our children, who we raised in montana. i went to montana state university and got a degree in chemical engineering. steve bullock went to a liberal college in california than to new york for law school. i spent my career building businesses and creating jobs, hundreds of great high-paying jobs, right there in bozeman. steve bullock has been a career politician. i have been a plus from the nra, steve bullock has

and the secretary of the va wilke came on your program and lied about hydroxychloroquine.said it was working on middle-aged veterans and we have no proof of that. they're not testing for the virus across the va. so if they love veterans so much, can they at least test them for coronavirus and make it a priority before we lose more of them? i think that cuts to the core of what our troops and our veterans see. they're not partisan. they put country first and they want a president who does the same. >> speaking of wilkie, he could take over for mark esper as defense secretary. what is your reaction to this? i'm pretty sure you started the hash tag where's wilkie. >> it's more chaos. trump is attacking his own secretary of defense that he installed who was a former executive who refused to recuse himself from raytheon business. all this war profiteering talk, trump is creating an environment of war profiterring. now he's undermining the secretary of defense and letting rumors fly that he may replace him with wilkie. that's because he is his most loyal political attack dog. he

i'm thankful to secretary wilke for taking a real look at south dakota's veterans concerns and reversing the v.a.'s decision to close the facility, and i look forward to celebrating with south dakota veterans the next time i'm in hot intrings, -- sprins, or as a -- springs, or as a lot of us know it, the veterans town. madam president, while most sectors of our economy were thriving before the coronavirus pandemic hit, farmers and ranchers were struggling, low prices, extended trade dispute and natural disasters had meant a lot of tough years for agricultural producers, even before the arrival of the coronavirus. yesterday i held virtual meetings with south dakota farmers and ranchers and heard first hand about the challenges they are facing because of the pandemic. madam president, agriculture is the lifeblood of my home state of south dakota, making sure our ag producers have what they need to keep feeding our nation and the world is one of my top priorities here in washington. during debate on the cares act, our largest coronavirus relief bill to the date, i fought to make sure that w

. >> reporter: the lawn, as well as the wilkes' baronial 8,000 square foot penthouse apartment couldd for a mere $24.5 million. they're for sale. what is it with americans and their lawns? according to a 2005 nasa study, we've planted something like 40 million acres of grass. we spend $40 billion a year on tending it. so no surprise, coronavirus has made americans lawn-care crazy. >> you could argue that the perfect lawn is the perfect coping mechanism in a world that has been turned upside down. >> reporter: historian ted steinberg is the author of "american agreed: the obsessive quest for the perfect lawn." his own lane in shaker heights, ohio, is not perfect. ♪ >> reporter: once upon a time, only landed gentry with legends of servants in the 18th century had lawns. it wasn't until after world war ii that ordinary, middle-class americans found themselves in possession of, and subsequently possessed by, their own lawns. when they moved to brand new suburbs. it was the cold war. america had an enemy: the soviet union. americans had an enemy, too: weeds. rallying those we'd warriors -

. >> this is bill barrett, a retired police chief of wilkes bury and a member of the city council. >>t i meet you when you were chief? >> we did, sir. >> i'm looking at you like i know you. >> good evening. as mentioned, i am very concerned about the violence taking place in our cities across this country, especially concerned about the lack of respect shown towards law enforcement officers and the military. can you tell us how you will address this and bring our nation back together? >> first of all, protesting is one thing, the right to speak is one thing. violence of any kind, no matter who it's coming from, is wrong, and people should be held accountable. burning down automobile lots, smashing windows, setting buildings on fire. but here's the deal, i've condemned every form of violence, no matter what the source is. no matter what the source is. the president has yet to condemn, as you probably noticed those guys walking around and not doing a damn thing about them. this is absolutely -- look, his own -- his own former -- uh, umm, press secretary, kellyanne conway said, and i'm p

and then you go to scranton, wilkes-barre, and you know, that's joe biden's home base. i've been able to see, and i thought florida was going to tighten and in the end florida would probably end up going for donald trump. i still am having trouble put -- if i'm trying to figure out a way for donald trump to win pennsylvania, it's actually one of the harder states for me to figure out how to put into donald trump's column. structurally, what are you seeing in pennsylvania? are you seeing the same there? what's his best chance for victory in pennsylvania? >> yeah. here's sort of the challenge i see for trump demographically. it's kind of a double-edged sword. i put pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin -- and his campaign likes to talk about minnesota, you know, a clinton state in '16, that they like to say they think they can flip. out o i put those four states in one bucket demographically, where you've got trump sending messages talking about the suburbs right now, but what he really needs in those states, and what is potentially available to him, just when you look at the

who went to wisconsin, and saw his campaign end there, was the 1940 nominee of the party, wendell wilke. >> let's talk about the impact of the oregon primary and the debate you touched on earlier. why is it important? >> it's important for a number of reasons. first of all, i'm sure it's on youtube, i'm sure it's easy to get. anyone who is watching what passes for debates at the moment among the republican candidates, or, quite frankly, who has watched the fall "debates" in recent years between the opposing parties, i would just urge you, go and listen to the duey stassen debate. it is as close in a modern context to lincoln-douglas as anything could be. it is not a collection of sound bites. on the contrary, it is an opportunity -- i believe it was an hour -- for these two men to develop thoughtful, opposing viewpoints on a very critical and very polarizing issue in america, and to do it in a way that raised the public standard of discourse as opposed to lowering it. >> we have a little bit of that debate. let's listen in and we'll talk about it. >> there's no such thing as a constitut

scranton and wilkes bury, it's about that. up for lost voters among the traditional republican coalition in the suburbs. they have had some drop-off there. but the 64,000 dollar question then remains will democrats -- traditional democrats and their coalition go out for joe biden and deliver in big numbers? if they do they can take pennsylvania off the board. >> sandra: president trump is heading to battleground wisconsin today as we just put up on the screen. mosinee, he is heading to. obviously this marathon county will be a key spot for the president to visit, wausau, the county seat there, chris. tell us about wisconsin and what we're seeing there with joe biden as we just put up on the screen the latest real clear politics average polling ahead of the president seven points there now. >> so wisconsin is probably trump's best bet whatever the polls -- average of polls say today. i still think wisconsin is trump's best bet for a repeat performance of 2016. he won't sneak up on anybody in pennsylvania or michigan. wisconsin

the fact he runs better in the scranton-wilkes-barre area than any democrats in the recent past the fact that pittsburgh seemed like a home away from home for biden for quite some time. i keep finding myself surprised by, you know, the three or four point spread i would expect pennsylvania to be more like wisconsin, eight or nine points and wisconsin to be more like pennsylvania i know there's the t in the middle but i can't figure out why that race is so close. can you give us any insights >> well, a lot of it is demographics you were talking about the t, the center of the state between pittsburgh and philadelphia. but what i broke down the state, what became clear is democrats turned out a ton of voters in philadelphia, didn't have fallout from the barack obama years in 2016. hillary clinton improved in the suburbs of philadelphia, improved in allegheny county she did gain in some places but you can't lose white working class voters by as much as she did. this being a narrow one-point race, a two-point gain with those voters and doing everything else right wins the state for joe biden

scranton is not necessarily wilkes-barre, which is not necessarily philadelphia, but at the same timeis somebody that they feel like they identify with in a way they didn't necessarily identify with hillary clinton. in a way that, frankly, they did feel like they identified with donald trump four years ago because he was somebody who was saying what, i'm like you. i'm going to fight for you. but you know, what the theme of "the new york times" stories is, is who is donald trump? is he the person he portrayed himself to be in the past 15 seasons of the apprentice and while he was in office, he said he's somebody who's rich, successful. like you. most of the tax players didn't pay nothing or $750 in taxes. so feeling like they know him or feeling like he told them the truth, he's going to have to convince his folks and he's certainly going to be asked about this. i would expect chris wallace, the first question is probably going to be about the taxes, the coronavirus or, you know, his commitment to whether he's going to have a peaceful transfer of power, none of which the president want