thrilled to continue discussion after adam posen with the peterson institute, with 'slliam lee from willem buiterthe chart francine showed goes right to the heart of the matter. economy, 1936, various shades of closed economy. there are no close economies anymore. in this new globalization, everything is an open economy. >> one thing that is notable from that chart is the emerging market growth model is busted, because emerging markets for theuet -- for decades -- advanced economies slow to the point they can no longer do that. they need domestic demand. also because it is a case-by-case. there are some emerging markets doing well, others that are not. tom: our history tells us from the 1990's when you have a busted emerging market, you have sequential moments. where are we in that continuum? william: we are in that structural phase were some countries like china are readjusting. anytime you move, you're not going to move along the frontier. come out.in, they a lot of these emerging markets do not have transparency, so we do not know what is going on there. we have no transparency into the privat