back to the special edition of conversations with great minds speaking william bakker director of the presidential climate action project. what are the biggest challenges in your mind in getting government and policy to align itself with something that's going to say people say save the world save our species. having been a bureaucrat for fifteen years. is that the. ship we hear about this image all the time but essentially we've got a government and the economy has been built for a carbon. and we need to rebuild government and rebuild the economy for carbon era carbon free so there's tremendous. need to be government operates the. biggest barrier how in the sort of an institutional inertia issue but the biggest area is the barrier is money from fossil energy industries that want to defend their market share which i consider dead industries walking but they've got tremendous assets underground that they want to be able to mine and sell remind me to do to elaborate on that a few minutes but. about one hundred thirty one hundred sixty members of congress have received millions and milli