a federal court finding that trump's attorney general william barr told the public a porky pie, told the public an untrue story about what was in the mueller report. well, now, today, a second federal judge has just ruled that bill barr and the trump era justice department were also disingenuous with the court. they, in effect, lied to the court when they told her and they told the public a made-up story, a lie, about why former president donald trump was not put on trial, was not charged with obstruction of justice on the basis of the evidence that was collected against president trump in mueller's investigation. you might remember mueller's report started with volume one, that was about what russia did to interfere in the election, and then volume two, you probably remember, it laid out more than ten instances in great detail of potentially criminal obstruction of justice committed by then president trump. now, when mueller finished this report, you might remember that trump's attorney general bill barr told the public that he, william barr, had consulted with justice department att

i had always been wondering is william barr -- back when trump was still president, is william barr asking for a pardon? does he think he might need a pardon? because there are so many legal lies that his toes were on constantly, including, i would assume, some that we don't even know about. >> we don't know what barr did, i think he is different than rudy, i think rudy giuliani hasn't been part of the reality based community for quite awhile. i wouldn't say that about william barr, i think he just has a distorted view of with the law requires. but there are two distinct concepts here. >> yes, neal katyal, thank you very much for starting us off tonight, we appreciate it. and coming up, liz cheney thinks the republican party is at a crossroads tonight, that is because she missed the crossroads in 2016 when donald trump got the republican nomination for president and the party became the cult of trump. that is next. that is next with a cfp® professional. a cfp® professional can help you build a complete financial plan. visit letsmakeaplan.org to find your cfp® professional. ♪♪ when our daug

what do you make about what the judge is saying here about william barr? >> it's hugely significant, lawrence. yesterday in my city of washington, d.c., we really had a tale of two attorneys general. one, merrick garland testifying in congress, carefully, methodically, sober, balanced, and then second we had this description of bill barr from judge amy jackson who is regarded as one of our nation's top jurists, and what a contrast. attorney general is supposed to be the attorney general of the united states people, not the attorney for the president. and what judge jackson's opinion, you're isolating that key word "disingenuous" and that's right word, she's saying you were a liar, you were doing donald trump's bidding and not being attorney general. that's a word judges don't use for ordinary litigant, never see them call the head of the u.s. justice department disingenuous. we've always known there's a degree of corruption around bill barr but this puts exclamation point on it. notably she's not first judge in washington, d.c., to call bill barr such thin

the trump administration, is because as attorney general in the trump era justice department, william barr was found by federal car -- court to have lied to the country about the mueller investigation. in a federal court decision that will follow bill barr around for the rest of his life like toilet paper stuck to his shoe, a federal judge in washington d. c. found last year, that when robert mueller turned in his report on the russia investigation to the justice department, attorney general william barr lied to the public about what was in it. the judges's ruling said quote, according to barr, he failed to provide a thorough investigation of the finding set forth in the report. questioning whether bars intent was to create a one-sided report about the narrative of the report. it's substitute at odds with the actual report. that was last year, a federal court finding that trump's attorney bill barr told untrue story about what was in the mueller report. now, today, a second federal judge has just ruled that bill barr and the trump era justice department, we are also disingenuous with the c

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this is a judge who ruled that the trump administration attorney general william barr had been in the judge's word, quote, disingenuous. he had been disingenuous, he had effectively lied not just to the american people and to congress, but also to the court, which is a bad thing to do if you're anybody but particularly if you're the attorney general of the united states. in an angry ruling, or at least a ruling that appeared to be driven by some emotion, she very bluntly ordered the justice department to release a document that they've been trying to keep secret for years. this is the document that william barr when he was attorney general, he used this document to create a purported justification for the justice department not bringing criminal charges against former president donald trump. the robert mueller investigation into russia interfering in our election in 2016, that investigation when they produced their report, they published copious details of more than ten instances for which there was significant evidence that former president trump might have committed crimes, specific

this is the document that william barr when he was attorney general he used this document to create a purported justification for the justice department not bringing criminal charges against former president donald trump. the robert mueller investigation into russia interfering in our election in 2016, that investigation, when they produced the report, they published copious details of more than ten instances for which there was significant evidence that former president trump might have committed crimes, specifically he might have committed obstruction of justice. it was just a week and a half ago when this federal judge ruled that william barr contrary to his statements, contrary to his statements to the court, she rule that barr actually never substantively considered the evidence against trump. she rolled from her view of the record that william barr just determined from his out said, regardless of the evidence, that trump would not be charged. and in her ruling she has ordered the justice department to release documents about that, really soon. by monday. the justice department u

so some of these records were approved toward the end when william barr was the attorney general and some were attorneys general at the time of the trump year. so it is notable for what it tells us about the trump administration and what it tells us about some of the perils of reporting on highly controversial matters like these investigations. alex? >> thank you for that. we'll be talking with a washington post reporter and get the effect on all those reporters and what they think about it in the newsroom. thank you, kel. >>> we'll go to florida where the republican divide appears to be growing deeper. those two there, marjorie taylor-greene and matt gaetz kicking off their trump tour, bashing not only democrats, but some of their own republican colleague, as well, as we go to nbc's leann caldwell joining us from the villages where that all took place. as i say hi to you, leann, what message did this rally send? >> hey, alex. well, according to them the message sent that donald trump is still the leader of the republican party. here at the villages it's like disney world for retiree

earlier to these journalists. >> joyce, in fact, this week, a judge slammed former attorney general william barr being disingenuous, saying that barr issued a memo that twisted the findings of the mueller report in order to clear then president trump on obstruction of justice charges. what's your reaction to this, and is it unusual for a federal judge to publicly scold the justice department like this? >> this is a highly respected judge, and so i think scolding is a gentle word for what she did here, alex. it's very unusual, and the controversy here is that while william barr was still the head of the justice department, last october, doj filed motions in a case where a group called crew, a public advocacy group in d.c., was trying to get all of the documentation regarding advice that was given to then attorney general barr about the release of the mueller report and whether or not there was sufficient evidence to charge president trump. and what happened was the barr doj claimed that a certain document didn't have to be turned over because it was covered by the deliberative privilege, and by t

>> william barr does ask the right question, why should we send our tax dollars to schools that end upeaching kids to hate each other and hate the country? here's what bart is talking about, this is a video used in schools across the country meant to soften the blm riots we saw last summer, kind of harmless cartoonish fashion and 2 in your kids to the destructive message. >> structural racism in our society, a built-in system of bias that makes life easier for white people and more difficult for black people and other people of color, black men are killed by police at twice the rate of white men like on may 20 fifth 2020, one a black man named george floyd died in minneapolis, minnesota. the demonstrations aren't only about mister floyd, they are about a pattern of violence against black people and a tendency for our suffering to go unnoticed. laura: that video is being shown across elementary schools in the united states, even in red states that parents are standing up to this racial bullying and misrepresentation. is one father in palm beach county, florida just this week reacting to

back in march 2019 when the special council finished his investigation, then ag william barr came outbarr said that was guided by an internal memo from d.o.j. lawyers. it has never been seen by the public but it might be soon. a government transparency group sued to get their handed on that secret memo and a judge now agrees. she says it should be released. that judge saying it appeared to fit into a pattern of the barr doj to miss lead or lie to congress and the public about the investigation. the justice department argued this memo was exempt from public records laws because it contained private avice from lawyers. pete, good morning to you, what else can you tell us here? >> this is all about the freedom of information act, you can ask for government documents under that law. but there are exceptions. one of them is advice or predecision on memoranda. that is why they release third degree to the group, and it applied for the freedom of information act. but judge jackson said i have seen the memo. it's written as a foregone conclusion that the justice department would not seek to pr

you can look at william barr and it is fine and tucker goes on at night and tries to discredit all that. having been on -- i did one of tucker's very first shows where he tried to ridicule me that the russians had anything to do with the 2016 election. we now know they did. he changed his position. nobody remembers what he said the night before because he could say i think we should stay in gath -- in afghanistan. the next night he could say, i think we should leave afghanistan. he used to be a huge supporter. that is what happens on these kinds of things. it will be, what about this, 30,000 ballot dump that happened in michigan? now the truth comes out. that never existed and now it is on to the next conspiracy theory. i had one very sane person tell me who is on the county board in the county i am in right now that said i get all of your evidence, adam. i believe you believe it. i am going to tell you what i believe there is no way with all of the people i know -- i don't know anybody that voted for biden and there is no way 74 million people were outnumbered. i just know that. ok. i

. >>> one other headline from washington, william barr reportedly threatened to quit when donald trump tried to fire christopher wray. that's according to "business insider." >>> a boat left six people injured. the vessel, you see it there burst into flames while refueling on a lake, and the jet ski also ignited a fire. >>> pictures in the backseat of a tesla with no driver under investigation by police in northern california. the man was reportedly spotted in the bay area. so far neither he nor the car has been found. in texas, two men died in a tesla crash. police say neither man was driving raising questions about the car's autopilot system. >>> time now for a look at your monday weather. the threat of severe weather like a tornado that left behind a trail of damage in southwest tennessee sunday shifts further to the west today. another tornado was reported in mississippi. no injuries from either storm as for today. severe storms are expected in southwest texas and heavy rain up to 4 inches could cause flash flooding along the gulf coast, parts of the rockies could see more than a f

have a partisan attorney general, according to the democrats, that is what they were accusing william barro was the furthest thing from it. by the way, she's also a brazen left-wing activist, last september she recommended the nypd stop making traffic stops, violent crime in new york, homicides shooting up, real crime is devastating the state not just in new york city by the way but she's not really talking about that. that is bad for her. all she does is obsess on this. unbalanced. >> interview criminals are victims and victims are criminals, no cash bail which she supports, wreaking havoc in new york city, if she was really concerned about corruption she would be going after democratic legislators in albany, her own team who formed their own nonprofit a few years ago and raised $1 million ostensibly for low income children and scholarship and education. it was revealed they didn't spend one dime, one scholarship but spent all the money on their own parties and everything and when she was asked she said was troubling, never did anything about it so it is clear what the agenda is. albany i

a possibility for derek chauvin, but it was shut down, we understand, by then attorney general william barr because it included the federal charges. so we're all waiting with bated breath to see whether it will resolve, but as of right now, they've got the august trial and now the federal trial. by the way, that also includes derek chauvin in spite of his state conviction. the feds can still come in and try him separately. >> laura, i'm sure you remember -- well, you've had so many conversations about this, but i remember talking to you about we knew so much about george floyd's past which came up in the trial, but we didn't know that much about chauvin. now he's facing this federal indictment stemming from an incident in 2017 with a 14-year-old. i mean he is alleged to have held a teen by the throat, hit him multiple times in the head with a flashlight, but his knee on the teen's neck, and even after the boy was handcuffed in the lying prone position. how will that process unfold? >> well, the question for many is how did the jury not hear this before? why was this not transparently before

you can look at william barr and tucker goes on at night and tries to discredit all that. i did one of tucker's very good shows -- very first shows where he tried to ridicule me. nobody remembers what he said the night before. he could say, we should stay in afghanistan one night and the next night, he could say he is not a supporter. that is what happens on these kinds of things. it will be, what about this, 30,000 ballot that happened in michigan? now the truth comes out. it never existed and now it is on to the next conspiracy theory. i had one very sane person tell me, i get all of your evidence, adam. there is no way i do not know anybody who voted for joe biden and there is no way they were outnumbered. i cannot argue. -- i cannot argue with, i just know that. even if you do not know them, they are out there. emily: i want to give you a question from the washington post. a couple good ones here. i start with the first one. can the republican party be saved as long as kevin mccarthy is the leader? rep. kinzinger: i think so. because he basically made the decision when

last year, that was a possible for derek chauvin but it was shut down by william barr because it included on bated breath to see if it will resolve. but the washington trial and now the federal trial. by the way, that also includes derek chauvin in spite of his conviction. the feds can still come in and try him separately. >> laura, i know we talked -- we knew so much about george floyd's past, and we didn't know about chauvin, and he is facing indictment from 2014 with a 14-year-old. he is alleged to have held a teen by a throat. put his knee on the teen's neck and after the boy was handcuffed in the prone position. how will that process unfold? >> well, the question for me, how did the jury not hear it before? how was it not transparent before the public? that is because the judge didn't allow it to be. and in the bill cosby trial, there were other indents, and a judge will look if the facts before the jury would be more prejudice, and the judge said that could not come in here. now we look to what's going to happen now that will have other incidents that might create a pat dern, that t

a number of people including mitch mcconnell and william barr have said there was not any fraud and that biden is really the president. what more might be needed to be done to really counter this quote unquote big lie? rep. kinzinger: i would love to see the republican party -- to actually commission, i guess, i have not put much thought into this, so it may be a dumb procedure, but in essence commission a study to say we are going to determine if the election was stolen or not and we are going to have a report out. obviously if it is an honest report it will prove that it was not. emily: president -- did that already happen? it was looked into and we got a conclusion. rep. kinzinger: that is why i wish it would be the party with kevin and leadership. tucker goes on at night and tries to discredit all that. i did one of tucker's very first shows where he tried to ridicule me me for believing the russians had anything to do with the 2016 election. we now know they do. he constantly changes position. nobody remembers what he said the night before. he could say, i think we should stay in af

served at the end of the trump administration after the resignation of the former attorney general william barr. he plans to testify under oath that there is, in his words, quote, no evidence of widespread voter fraud at a scale sufficient to change the outcome of the 2020 election. that certainly, dave, doesn't leave much room for interpretation, does it? >> no, it doesn't, wolf. kudos to jeffrey rosen. when he was acting attorney general, he refused to go along with the attempts to overturn the election. he was even subject to a coup attempt by a trump loyalist within the doj. that was thwarted. he also refused to appoint special counsels to promote all this craziness. he refused to sign onto all these crazy lawsuits around the country which is more than i could say for 17 state attorneys general who embarrassed themselves with it. r he is acting now the way he did then. so kudos to him. it's not enough to save liz cheney tomorrow, but it's important because the big lie continues. as long as that continues, an event like january 6th could happen again. >> how significant is this testimony we

amy: i want to go to attorney general william barr, not under a 1992 appearance on "face the nation"he was attorney general in the administration of george h.w. bush barr blamed gangs for the uprising in los angeles after a jury acquitted four white police officers in the brutal beating of rodney king. >> we are investigating all of the violence, the arson that was involved in the riots. our preliminary information is there was significant involvement of gang members at the inception of the violence, also involvement in the spreading of the violence in the arson. amy: i remember at that time. the descriptions of those who work rising up being arsonists and vandals and gang members. martin luther king famously talked about a riot being the language of the unheard. juan:, you recovering will recall the l.a. rise. elizabeth hinton, if you can talk about the language used to describe this stuff you used the word "rebellion" and when it means when they are called riots and people are called vandals and arsonist but police are not called murderers. >> right. this goes back to the crucial m

>> first of all, we have, starting at the top, you have william barr, rudy giuliani, sydney powell, maybeyers. and who the state bars where they are licensed, they could be disbarred. that means they lose their profession forever. that happens quite a lot. john dean was disbarred. richard nixon was disbarred. john mitchell, the former attorney general was disbarred. i think that's what we're looking at in terms of non-criminal violations. there may be criminal violations as well, for example barr testified in front of the congress and lied to them and misrepresented to the whole american population about what the mueller report said. and so that could be a criminal case for false statements to congress. but i think disbarment is something that ends someone's career and ends it in scandal and makes them really, should make them embarrassed. so that is something that could happen easily. there are some, many lawyers have asked for disbarment to take place against those people. >> all right, jill winebanks thanks so much for being with us. >>> next, supply versus demand when it comes to covi

liz: that means william barr d.o.j. spied on him, that is also a story in cold. family committing money laundering. that's what rudy giuliani is claiming you heard the countries he was siding, this is a heavy charge, he says he has evidence on paper, what cannot be. >> i don't know, obviously as a personal attorney traveling the psword underworld and having meetings with foreign law enforcement they might've showed him documents are given them access to things. i'm stepping back to the big picture, this is a huge integrity to us for the attorney general and the director of the fbi. all of this what's can happen to rudy, will they treat him like any other individual in the criminal justice system and make decisions based on evidence or will this be the rudy rule, same thing for anything to do with hunterer biden. is this going to be the president's son and we all know what he wants to have happen or will he look at it and decide on evidence. i think within the next few months, maybe the next six months will have a real good gauge of this attorney general is politi

federal judge who put out a statement this week that was really harsh on former attorney general william barr. basically saying that testimony that the justice department had given, submissions the justice department had given, had been misleading about this alleged memo that barr used to craft his opinion on the mueller investigation. so, the federal judge is calling the former attorney general disingenuous and misleading. i'm wondering what your thoughts are on that. >> well, obviously, the credibility of the department before our judges is critical. there has to be completed confidence in anything said by the department or any information submitted by the department to our federal judges. you so it's extremely troubling if true. again, i don't know the facts of this particular instance, but obviously it's something that all of us should be concerned about because it does affect the effective functioning of the department of justice. >> attorney general alberto gonzales, always a pleasure speaking with you. thank you for joining us this morning. >> thanks, john. >>> coming up, a pennsylvani

. >> yang: judy, the nine-page memo is to then-attorney general william barr from the justice department'segal counsel, which provides legal advice to government agencies. barr said it was the basis for his conclusion that there wasn't enough evidence to establish that president trump broke obstruction of justice laws. a watchdog group sued to make it public and earlier this month a judge said it must be released. last night, the justice department released a heavily redacted version and appealed the judge's order to release the rest of it. noah bookbinder is predent and c.e.o. of citizens for responsibility and ethics in washington, or "crew," which sued for the memo's release. mr. bookbinder, thank you so much for joining us. your group filed this suit literally the afternoon of attorney general barr's news conference. what does this struggle over this document whether to keep it secret or not, what does this represent to you sort of the larger implications of this struggle? >> absolutely. well, what it looked like happened back when the mueller report came out was that the attorney gene

himself, if as judge jackson's ruling implies, this document shows that former attorney general william barrmay have lied, not just to the public about trump's alleged climbs, but lied under oath to congress, lied to it in official communications with the court about it. that itself is a whole platter of pooh-pooh plate. to figure out what they are going to do. figure out just how much of the cover-up from the last administration they are going to let slide, and how much they are going to pursue, potentially up to and including the immediate prior attorney general of the united states. so, we've been watching this closely, depending on what merrick garland and the justice department decides to do here, it is going to be a big deal. and it is going to arrive was right in the biden administration trying to find out what happened between russia and the trump administration. russia's effort to help trump in the 2016 election, and the awareness, and the welcoming, apparently helping the russians effort by secretly giving trump campaign strategy and pulley dated to a russian intelligence officer w

washington post" this morning, the justice department has confirmed that at some point in 2020, when william barr was serving as attorney general, the department of justice secretly obtained the phone records of three "washington post" reporters for calls they made during three months in 2017 while reporting on russia's role in the 2016 presidential election. the subpoenas sought records that would show who the reporters called and how long their conversations lasted. now republicans on the federal elections commission appear to be giving the former president a gift, wielding their power to force the commission to drop the inquiry into whether trump violated campaign finance laws when he directed his then personal attorney, michael cohen, to make a hush money payment to stormy daniels in 2016. the decision came months after an internal report stated that there was reason to believe that trump knowingly and willfully violated campaign finance law. a lot to get to. joining me now, "washington post" reporter, devlin barrett. he is the author of "october surprise" how the fbi tried to save itself and

this is what's interesting, it goes back to the trump administration and to then attorney general william barrse do partisan politics, do they go out the window as an excuse here? >> they should. i mean, he's still using it, matt gaetz, he's still saying it's a witch hunt. everyone from the trump doj to the current doj to quote the establishment is trying to get him, so he'll continue to play the blame game but that's an important fact to keep in mind. this investigation was started under the department of justice while donald trump was in office. >> okay. elie honig, we so appreciate your perspective. thank you so much, have a good day. >> thanks, christi. >>> the last 12 months have been tough on a lot of folks, but for one high school student in california, this last year was especially difficult. >> we were moving from hotel to hotel, kind of begging them not to kick us out. >> but this story has a happy ending you will not want to miss. that is next in the good stuff. stay with us. ♪ when i was younger ♪ you need a financial plan that fits the way you want to live in retirement. a plan th

department to this one, just today we learned that before trump left office, his attorney general, william barr, secretly obtained phone records from longtime pentagon correspondent barbara starr at cnn. we've recently learned that under barr, they did that to three "washington post" reporters who had been reporting on trump in russia as well. the justice department now is no longer doing that, and they're letting it be known that the last justice department did this, and it was all approved under bill barr and not under the current administration. but they have to let that information be known now and they have to clean up after it with news organizations who are obviously very angry that it happened. we also learned this week that under bill barr, the justice department subpoenaed twitter to try to obtain the identity of someone who had been sending pro-trump republican congressman named devin nunes. congressman nunes has tried multiple times to use lawsuits to go after people who have publicly criticized him. it really bothers him. but apparently before trump left office, under bill barr, th

the attorney general at the time, william barr, he had to approve the pursuit of these records.me to the court proceedings which gave the green light for the receipt of the phone and email records, that was all sealed. they were and will be kept secret. so i've reached out to the former attorney general barr for comment. he has not responded. the current justice department is responding to this, and they are making clear this was all done under the trump administration and, guys, they say that the current attorney general merrick garland is committed to press freedom, something he has stressed and that he will -- he plans to meet with reporters to hear their concerns about these recent revelations. but the thing is here, this was very secretive, and we really don't know all of the details of what case they made to the judge to actually get these records in secret and not notify barbara starr until just last week, guys. >> we should note the obama administration sought reporters' records both, i believe ap reporters and the records of a fox reporter also in leak investigations so

elizabeth: that means william barr's doj spied on him. that is also a story angle here.allegation of the biden family allegedly committing money laundering. that is what rudy giuliani is claiming. you heard the countries he was citing. this is a heavy charge. he says he has evidence on paper. what could that be? >> well, i don't know. obviously as a personal attorney traveling the world, having some meetings with perhaps foreign law enforcement. they might have shown him documents or given him access to things but to me, stepping back to kind of the big picture of this, liz, this is a huge integrity test for the attorney general and for the director of the fbi. i mean all of this. what is going to happen with rudy? will they treat him like any other individual in the criminal justice system around make decisions based on evidence, or is it going to be, is it the rudy rule? the same thing with hunter biden. is this going to be the president's son, we all know what he wants to have happen or look on it dispassionately to decide on the evidence. next six months we'll have a

but the judge, who was appointed by president obama, says then attorney general william barr was being disingenuous. the centers for disease control finds itself under the microscope again tonight over the administration's use of guidance it received from a teachers union about school reopenings. this, as a judge is overruling the agency's eviction moratorium. still president biden is on a full-court press for his next spending plans. white house correspondent kristin fisher has details. >> did you guys order anything? >> president biden making a surprise trip wednesday morning to a d.c. tacoriaa. spend $29 million of direct aid to restaurants food trucks. >> we want an economy that deals everyone in. our restaurants need a seat at the table, no pun intended. that's what we are giving them. >> the white house also acknowledging that the cdc gave teachers unions a seat at the table while trafficking the agency's guidelines for reopening schools. >> that type of consultation is pretty standard. as a part of their consideration processes. >> white house press secretary jen psaki says the

first of all, in contrast to the prior doj under donald trump, under william barr and eventually jeffrey cases to try to protect donald trump and those around him. think about michael flynn, roger stone. think about doj's refusal to open a case on the ukraine scandal when it happened. now we have a new administration, a new attorney general, people under him, they are experienced prosecutors, they've shown that they are not goes to hesitate to go after people who may have broken the law, no matter how powerful or well connected those people may be. >> it strikes me that conducting these raids and collecting this evidence, not only from giuliani, but from his assistant and another attorney, a fellow attorney, again over unregistered lobbying for a foreign government, something that amounts to not filling out paperwork, not an often used statute by the justice department. is this simply a way for the doj to get a foot in the door to gather hard evidence because they believe giuliani may be culpable of something bigger? >> the foreign lobbying statute is obscure, it's rarely used and not co

animation to be used in the 2020 election to benefit donald trump has reward would be help with william barr the justice department under donald trump to help keep him from being extradited to the u.s. and further delay or derail his u.s. prosecution. if that was the offered quid pro quo that creates all sort of interesting implications. both for mr. giuliani in terms of what he was offering, with he and his socialists were selling to discuss in ukraine, but also what they said they could deliver an exchange. if they can deliver action by the u.s. justice department, or lack of action by them, then people inside the u.s. justice department willing to effectuate it for them as part of this scheme, while, maybe they're going to be in the crosshairs here as well. i mean everybody involved, from mr. giuliani mr. dmytro firtash, everybody, denies every kind of wrongdoing in this, suffice to say. but the fact remains that some of these deliverables were delivered. u.s. ambassador maria yovanovitch was in fact fired as a result of this smear campaign run against her by rudy giuliani and his cast of

that in exchange for helping generate anti-joe-biden information, his reward would be help with william barr and the justice department under donald trump to help keep him from being extradited to the united states to further delay or indeed derail his u.s. prosecution. if that was the offered quid pro quo, that creates all sorts of interesting implications, both for mr. giuliani in terms of what he was offering, what he and his associates were selling to these guys in the ukraine, but also what they said they could deliver in the exchange. if they could deliver action by the u.s. justice department, or lack of action by the u.s. justice department, and people inside the u.s. justice department were willing to effectuate that as part of this scheme, maybe they'll be in the crosshairs too. everybody involved here, from mr. giuliani and mr. firtash on down, everybody involved denies any wrongdoing, suffice it to say. but the fact remains that some of these deliverables were delivered. u.s. ambassador marie yovanovich was in fact fired as a result of this smear campaign run against her by rudy

so the trump justice department run by william barr searched your icloud during your impeachment defensetrump trying to arrest you this whole time? "you got to put him behind bars, otherwise he's going to keep calling me and inviting me on this hamilton walking tour he also says he has a new abraham lincoln walking tour, but i think he just want to go to four different scores, even though they closed seven years ago. [ laughter ] and yet, rudy claimed on fox news last week that the raid, which again, is part of an investigation that started when trump was president, was somehow a plot orchestrated by biden and the democrats to target him. >> joe biden said he didn't know that this raid was coming. do you take that at face value >> maybe he doesn't remember i'm not sure if he can retain anything for more than about, you know, the time it takes to read it. >> seth: yeah, sure, dude. biden's the senile one here. you're the one butt dialing reporters, only using the top crest strip, and wandering around the streets of new york telling people you're filming a tv special about hamilton. every

reporters in investigations and such moves would have needed approval by then attorney general william barrjudge ruled that the d.o.j. must release the controversial justice department memo, that barr claims helped guide his decision in declaring that special counsel's robert mueller's report on his investigation into trump did not support a charge of obstruction which is not what mueller's report concluded. join cans now, former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama and the msnbc legal analyst joyce vance. good morning. thanks for getting up early with us. we appreciate it. i want to ask you about this story. what do you make of this fact, that the kind of records were these, and just how rare is it for a justice department to ask for this kind of information, and what does it say about bill barr? >> it's a fascinating situation, because there's a legitimate vote for the d.o.j. to obtain these kinds of records but there is a lot of red flags in this situation that mean we need to dig deeper. d.o.j. guidelines are very stringent regarding obtaining reporters' records an they re

if, as judge jackson's ruling implies, this document shows that former attorney general william barrc about trump's alleged crimes, he may have lied under oath about it to congress, he may have lied about it in official communications with the federal court about it, i mean that itself is a whole pupu platter of stomachache for the new justice department leadership to figure out what they're going to do, right? figure just how much of the scandal and cover-up from the last administration they're going to let slide and how much of it they are going to pursue, potentially up to and including the immediate prior attorney general of the united states. so we've been watching this closely. depending on what merrick garland and the biden justice department decide to do here, it's going to be a big deal either way. and it's going to arrive right in the middle of the biden administration still trying to box up and figure out whatever it was that happened between russia and the trump administration. russia's efforts to help trump in the 2016 election, the trump campaign's awareness of that hel

he knew that william barr would protect him under any investigation. well now that's over. he's not the president anymore. he can't get people to just cover for him. so his best bet is, hey, look over here. look at the black woman attacking me. look at the democrats in the deep state. here's the problem, though. he's not in power. his kids aren't in power. nobody really owes him anything. a lot of the political leadership they don't owe anything to donald trump. no matter how many 909 word statements or documents he releases, i don't think he is going to be as effective this time and rhetorically distracting people as he has been in the past. and if this investigation ends up going, because it is only a small group that runs this, if this investigation finally gets ivanka or jared or any of his kids, that will have an impact on their political fortunes heading into 2022 because it could make other members of his family toxic beyond just him. >> emily, take a listen to how letitia james has discussed the fact that no one is above the law. >> should be charged with obstructin

the subpoenas, which needed the former attorney general william barr's approval, sought records that would show who the reporters called and how long their conversations lasted. the revelation comes just days after a federal judge ruled that the doj must release a controversial justice department memo that barr claims helped guide his decision in declaring that the special counsel, robert mueller, and his investigation did not support a charge of obstruction. that is not what the mueller investigation concluded. joining me now is democratic congressman jim himes of connecticut, a member of the intelligence and financial services committee. good to see you. thank you for being with us. i don't know where to start, there's so much stuff here. i guess part of it is just that the justice department, we are seeing the degree to which the justice department was a corrupt arm of the -- of donald trump really, not even the trump administration. >> yeah, well, that's right, ali. this is not new news. it is not in any way surprising. americans of any political stripe should be frightened by wh

he doesn't have attorney general like william barr to protect him anymore.> i think we may continue to get dribs and drabs from the grand jury investigation but often comes from witnesses with self-interested motive in sharing information. we need to be patient until charges are filed or announcement is made that the grand jury has concluded its business without the return of charges. but it does seem that convening a grand jury is a significant step in this investigation because we know that cy vance has had the documents for some time, the tax records. if after their analysis did not see evidence of crime would have shut it down. fact they've gathered together citizens to present evidence, says to me the likelihood of charges has gone up substantially. i would be surprised if there are not charges but we'll have to wait and see. >> thank you both for legal guidance, really appreciate it. >> thanks lawrence. >> thank you. >>> president biden is preparing to meet vladimir putin for first time in his presidency, a presidency putin tried to prevent by interfer