my guests today is william binney a whistle blower former national security agency official he was one of the first to reveal the agency's massive domestic spying program mr binney revealed that n.s.a. sought and received access to telecommunications companies domestic and international billing records that it has intercepted somewhere between fifteen to twenty trillion communications mr binnie also claims that in order to cover its warrantless surveillance the agency concealed it under the patriotic sounding name terrorist surveillance program mr beaty think you so much for coming in light of the patricius slash alan scandal while the public is so focused on the details of their family drama one may argue that the real scandal in this whole story is the power the reach of the surveillance state i mean if we take general allen thousands of his personal e-mails have been sifted through private correspondence i mean it's not like any of those man was planning an attack on america does it prove does this scandal prove the notion that there is no such thing as privacy in a surveillance sta

government's ability to spawn its own citizens with and i say veteran whistle blower william binney after this short break stay with us. which is slow often enough and knows that to ride a horse you've got to catch it first. for him it's a daily routine that you're soft as a horse breeder on the island of a horn at the heart of. his life on an isolated farm is about blue sky green grass and horses what sometimes it gets lonely here but horses have become part of me now i've fallen off so many times sometimes that bites as well it's part of my every day life. i home suburban home to it neat bratz locally just slough for centuries most still live off the land of cattle and fish every evening local villagers place their nets and in the morning the catch is always good. we always have enough here. if by call is often called the pearl of siberia i horn i said to be the pearl of by call it's all end of fake forests. and vast staps. it's also a place of traditions respected by locals and travelers alike. an economist turned adventurer has crisscrossed by call shores and learned its customs well.