officers william binney and thomas drake mist of binny has just finished his testimony a very long testimony there indeed what he revealed is that yes the n.s.a. gave the technology to the germans that would allow concentrated surveillance c. doesn't know whether the germans implemented that though he said that it would be impossible for anybody to detect if they were. being snooped on online by the n.s.a. he also said that the united states and the n.s.a. needed to create a a moral standards a moral standard in what information they are snooping into said that current legislation just doesn't do that we're waiting to see what more comes out of this ongoing committee hearing to try and find out just the sheer scale and scope of the n.s.a. spying here in germany our correspondent in berlin it was edward snowden did he reveal how internet giants such as facebook you who google shared information on the users with the n.s.a. but some companies refused to cooperate with government requests and kept the customer's data private we talked to the owner of one such company but attempts to reform the

it so they'll be no testimony from snowden but we've been waiting to see what thomas drake and william binneyhave to say as they appear before this committee right artie's peter all of our ally for us from berlin with that update thank you. x. mission was among the first internet service providers in the u.s. to shield customers from government eavesdropping pete ashdown is its founder he joins us live with some more insight and analysis on this thank you for joining us here so how hard is it to deny the u.s. government access to your databases and are there any repercussions from that it's not hard at all you essentially need to follow the bill of rights fourth amendment of man a warrant traditionally most requests that we have received from law enforcement and the government did not fall under a proper warrant and we turn them back now one day a group of internet firms from six countries follow the lawsuit against the u.k. intelligence agency g c h q what do you think will be the fallout from that. it's hard to say that it's going to have any impact at all i would have loved to of joined th

officers are william binney and thomas drake mr binney has just finished his testimony a very long testimony there indeed what he revealed is that yes the n.s.a. gave the technology to the germans that would allow concentrated surveillance doesn't know whether the germans implemented that though he said that it would be impossible for anybody to detect if they were being snooped on online by the n.s.a. they also give us the number this is an estimate tens of thousands of german users will be now finding themselves on the tor database listed as extremists now. he also said that the united states and the n.s.a. needed to defer needed to create a a moral standards modeled standard in what information they are snooping into said that current legislation just doesn't do that as he wrapped up his testimony the german committee chairman committee members who are who are listening to what it had to say said that he was a tireless and brave man and a light to the world so he's give his testimony we're waiting to see what more comes out of this ongoing committee hearing to try and find out just the sh

it so they'll be no testimony from snowden but we've been waiting to see what thomas drake and william binney have to say as they appear before this committee. discusses what's going on in ukraine with the european commission or stay with us are worlds apart. yes it's official the mainstream media must be made up of stereotypical gossipy teenage girls i mean how else can you explain the fact that michelle obama using the term chipped has become a scandal i don't white house summit on working families mrs obama explained that when she was working part time she realized she was getting chipped because she was sexual king full time but only getting paid the part time salary technically the term gypped is somewhat racist it implies a gypsy's are all con men but in the modern world i think most people don't even know where the term comes from i doubt michelle obama likes a medieval peasant shield her children from wandering gypsies who could give them the evil eye or seriously question if there was any deep racial intent in the statement i personally would let the first lady off the hook but the q

particularly just how involved the german security services were in helping that spying take place william binney and thomas drake of to form a very senior n.s.a. officers who turned whistleblower they're now talking to a german parliamentary committee of inquiry and will be waiting to see what they what they they have to say it had been wanted by many that edward snowden would actually take part in this inquiry however to do is to a large calls for him actually to get asylum here in germany but none of the materialized that's been put down to the fact that the german and u.s. security services have very close ties and is also particularly close ties between barack obama and bill americal closely so no snowden taking part in this however we wait and see what these two offices have to say and peter many users try to protect their privacy using online anonymity software but that's no longer an effective solution for many how does the n.s.a. target anonymous networks like that well this is just emerged in the german media of people using tor the top project basically what it does is it allows you to

. >> before edward snowden, there was william binney: a former senior official at the nsa who helped develop some of the early technology being used in the data collection programs. >> he says 9/11 was a turning point for the agency. he left his job just weeks after the attacks, and became a whistleblower. >> with 9/11 everything changed here. some of them said this is a gift to nsa and what it meant was now we can just about get any kind of budget we want and build our nsa so much larger and get so many more contracts and so much more money and do so many more things and that's exactly what they did. >> when you actually have even private conversations with members of the agency, what you hear is 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11, 9/11. >> general alexander, can you give the best argument for how these programs actually work to protect americans? 9/11. connecting the dots. we need programs to connect the dots. >> but it didn't stop 9/11. is there a case where it did work? >> we didn't have the programs, >> i imagine there are some people who are so frightened, who are so scar

german relations i want to bring in william binney former and as a whistleblower bill thank you so much for joining me at this point germany has seen everything from an essay spying to two now to alleged double agents do you think this diplomat being expelled is a proportional response considering the recent events well i think that's pretty pretty standard procedure i mean we've had like israelis recruiting people inside the u.s. government to spy for them so i mean this goes on with the spy agencies around the world they attempt to recruit people in the standard practice is to. throw them out of the country after you catch them now to be clear this intelligence representative is the cia chief of station he is responsible for coordinating secret service activities and germany i mean how big of a loss would this representative be to two u.s. intelligence efforts in the country. i wouldn't think it would be too much of an impact simply because these administrator is not a someone who's doing the work so whatever work is being done is still being done by people who are there. and certainl

officers william binney and thomas drake mr binney has just finished his testimony a very long testimony there indeed what he revealed is that yes the n.s.a. gave the technology to the germans that would allow. surveillance c. doesn't know whether the germans implemented that though he said that it would be impossible for anybody to detect if they were being snooped on online by the n.s.a. he also said that the united states and the n.s.a. needed to create a a moral standard modeled standard and what information they have snooping into and he said that current legislation just doesn't do that so he's give his testimony be waiting to see what more comes out if they say all go in committee hearing to try and find out just the sheer scale and scope of the n.s.a. spying here in germany now is artie's peter oliver. and now to the crisis in ukraine yesterday foreign ministers of ukraine and russia back to new cease fire plan well that agreement to restart peace talks by saturday meanwhile the fighting between and forces and government of thordis continues today at least seven people were kille

thomas drake and william binney, for example. but what was the problem? what we could point to they're doing today, look at at this that, look subpoena record or technology, look at the number of employees or the dod budget as a whole. that is a very complex picture. that is not a picture that can generate political reform in a debate. what edward snowden did, by bringing out the classified documents, official documents -- even some of them just last year -- he was able to show even to the people who didn't understand the complexity, of what was exactly going on. we have rick people did try to start a debate -- we have roof. people did try to start a debate. >> hillary clinton again. >> i would say certainly, there are many people in our history who have raised serious questions about government behavior. they have done it either with or without whistleblower protection. and they have stood and faced whatever the reaction was to make their case in public. >> julian assange? is alluding to, without mentioning the name, as daniel ellsberg, the famous pentag