interventionism around the world i'm joined by william blum historian and author of america's deadliest export democracy the truth about u.s. foreign policy and everything else to be released early next year welcome thank you so much for being here pleasure fan so let's just get right into this why is democracy such a deadly export. with what we call democracy. what it comes down to is something else of course if we we do normally overthrow governments invade occupy torture those are the things we label democracy. or what i said we're going to call it. killing and bombing and torture and so that's that's the standard. talk from my state department and there's no need to be confused by that. in two thousand and six as someone bin laden released a video in which he encouraged people to read your book in which he quoted your introduction in your book which said if i were president i would stop the attacks on the u.s. first i would give an apology to all the widows and orphans and those who were tortured then i would announce that american interference in the nations of the world has ended