william brewster, bradford, a woman who gave birth during the transit. also john hoglund was a servant of the governor across -- on board the ship and he has amazing stories. he fell overboard during the 66 day crossing of the atlantic, but managed miraculously to grab a robe and pulled himself back on board. -- grab a rope and pulled himself back on board. if he had not done that, george w bush and george bush would never have existed because they are descendents of john howland. the relatives and descendents, if we can make avatars tell their story, how fantastic that would be? so we are going into the stern of the ship. that structure was designed to pull in wires and rope and secure secure the ship and various pieces of cargo coming onto the ship. the main deck, here is where you have the steerage office. that is called a capstan. you can see the stick on the left. that was a small stick that controlled the rudder, the steerage of the ship. then you have the captain's cabin, obviously the best cabin on the ship. he had his own little bed. this is whe

william brewster, bradford, the lady who gave birth to oceanus, the one child who were born during the actual transit. and also john harrigan. he was actually a servant of a governor who was on board the ship. he fell overboard during the 66 days crossing the atlantic, but managed, miraculously, to grab a rope and put himself back on board. if he hadn't done that, then george w. bush and george bush would never have existed because they're descendants of harrigan. some of these guys, if we could make these avatars tell their story, how fantastic that would be. so there we're going into the stern of the ship. that's the -- that particular structure there, which is designed to really be able to pull in wires and ropes and to be able to secure the ship and secure various pieces of cobble coming onto the ship, this is the main deck. that's called a capstain. if you go to what would be the tiny captain's cabin, on the left you can see the stake on the left. that was a very small -- relatively small stake that controlled the rudder. that controlled the steerage of the ship, then you have the

william brewster, at his death, owned over 400 volumes. i have no idea where he put them in a house of that size, but the fact is there is no evidence other than a few books here and , there. these are people who did have very extensive libraries, quite a few of them, certainly brewster and bradford and myles standish and some of the clergymen and so forth. dr. minkema: ok, thank you. we have a question from stephen, who asks, why is it only bradford's history remains, when the other person -- i guess he is referring to winslow -- has more detailed accounts of their experiences? i suppose i guess it would help to clarify that and say how winslow's accounts are available. dr. bremer: right. winslow -- and feel free to add anything to this, ken -- that winslow published his first accounts in 1622, 1624, they are detailed, because they are dealing with a more compressed period of time. some of his later works, like his attack and such, are addressing similar issues. he never set out to write an entire history of the experience of the pilgrims

william brewster at his death owned over 400 volumes. i have no idea where he put them, in a house of that size but the fact is there's no evidence of other than a few books here, a few books there. these are people who did have very extensive libraries, quite a few of them. certainly brewster and bradford and miles standish and some of the clergyman, partridge and so forth. >> okay, thank you. we have a question from steven who asks, why is it that only bradford's history remains when the other person, i guess he's referring to winslow, has more detailed accounts of their experiences? i suppose it would help to clarify that, and say how winslow's accounts are available. >> right. winslow -- and feel free to add anything to this, ken, but winslow's published -- his first accounts in 1622, 1624, they're more detailed because they're dealing with a far more compressed period of time. some of his later works, like his attack on samuel gorton and such are addressing specific issues. so winslow never set out to write an entire history of the

names some esquire, esq afterwards and one of them actually was my tenth grade grandfather, william brewster had went to cambridge. so there are various classes we might say represented among the passengers and i mention in my remark that is many of the so-called strangers, the nonpilgrims were kind of rough customers, so fleeing the law or fleeing creditors, but they were all treated as equals in this civil body politic and there are some subtle acknowledgement that they might not be members of the religious community or choose not to come under the laws that would be written in the future. and i think there is an implication that if not, then they can themselves separate from that community. but it is a remarkable thing i think in 1620 when most of the world was a rigid -- had rigid class systems that the esquires and common folk and maybe even the lawbreakers among them, the criminals, fleeing england all have equal status civilly in that body of politic. >> i agree. and this comes from the reformation. these people take very serious the reformation idea of the equality -- or priesthood,

a different sort of man than elder brewster, a different sort of man than william bradford. he's a lawyer, for one thing. he has a rather checkered career in massachusetts bay, being elected governor and then deposed and elected again as his literal fortunes go up and down in england. so massachusetts bay is the -- and the city of boston, they are the kind of powerhouse and literally tens of thousands of people come in waves from old england to new england, but they tend to settle there. the plymouth colony is a smaller enterprise, it is first. and i think that document, the compact, is very dispositive for things that come later. but we should remember that. and when we think -- we speak of the piquad war, things like that, there are different communities engaging the native americans and engaging themselves and the strangers among them in slightly different ways. >> well in our closing section, would you like to comment on anything else that we can learn as americans today from the mayflower compact that perhaps has been overlooked? >> well, if i may go first, i'll try to

william? >> yes. >> are you ready, master brewster?>> we are ready. >> the kings guards will be soon on their rounds. >> we believe the building is that we were still here.>> is that we didn't have to leave our homes to live with a stranger in a strange land. >> to live free in a free land.>> but how?>> as we did here, as the lord wills, so shall we live. come. it is time. >> and so began our pilgrimage, in the darkness of night, some 200 others took leave of our homeland and pursued freedom elsewhere. making our way to the only friendly land we knew, the low country behind the dyke.. they were kind to us. yet, we were strangers among them and our life was not easy. for 12 years, but in the end, it was the suffering of our dearest children, so oppressed were they by the heavy laborers are poor conditions laid upon them, and in more than this, we had fear they would be coming as strangers on to us, their loving parents. but, we did not know, but do something we must. for how should we sing the lord's psalm in a strange land? >> it's qui

that is led by john winthrop, a different sort of man than elder brewster, a different sort of man than william bradford. he is a lawyer for one thing. he has a rather checkered career and massachusetts bay being elected governor, being deposed, and being elected again as his a literal fortunes go up and down and england. massachusetts bay at the city of boston are kind of the powerhouse and literally tens of thousands of people come in waves from old england to new england. but they tend to settle there. the plymouth colony is a smaller enterprise. it is first, and i think that document, the compact is , responsive of things to come later. we should remember that. war, thingsk of the like that, there are different communities engaging the native americans and engaging themselves and the strangers among them in different ways. emily: in our closing section, would you like to comment on anything else we can learn as americans today from the mayflower compact that has perhaps has been overlooked? dr. morrison: well, if i'm going to go i will try to be brief. first, i have alluded to this constitu