william courtney is the former special assistant to president bill clinton on russian ukrainian. and your region affairs is also a senior fellow with the rand corporation joins us live now from washington. d. c. william, thanks for being with us. your analogies here actually. aside from all that president trump has said these past few hours. we also heard earlier from the new us defense secretary pete hex, if he told a nato meeting and brussels, the ukraine's hopes of joining the organizational, unrealistic. and also said keith should have banned and any idea of returning to pre 2014 borders taken altogether. does this suggest to you that the warn ukraine is now and it's in stages, you know, as system to tell about, there is no sign that russia as well. it's about getting serious concessions and the war president zaleski seems more ready for negotiations and personal improve task. at william, we heard a few moments ago in hash my brother's report that up until a few days ago, nato and e. u members were hoping that they might convince president trump on the merits of solid trans at