and william dunkelberg is the chief economist for the nfib whose most recent small business optimism index was down significantly. great to see both of you guys. >> j.j., great to be here. >> thanks, j.j. how you doing? >> i'm good, thank you. i want to start with you, representative. you were a small business owner, so take off your washington hat for a moment and put your small business hat on for a second. why are you against these rules? >> you know, this is another example of the president unilaterally stepping in, and we've had testimony just recently as last monday down in pueblo, colorado. this is creating uncertainty in the marketplace when we've got to be able to have certainty. i'm talking small job creators, be on the small business committee or on these roundtables what we're hearing is moving rules, regulations coming out of washington, d.c., mandates coming out of washington, d.c., that are creating uncertainty for these small businesses that create seven out of ten jobs in this country, that are necessary to get this economy moving, they don't know what field they're