among the defenders of decentralization, the critiques of the new deal, you had people like william f. buckley and national review were defending southern, legally imposed racial segregation as, you know, local control. these people know best what they want. the sort of good hearted defense of it that i think existed was if we don't have these rules in place, a lot of people are going to kill a lot of people. most of it will be white people killing black people. that's not good. too much blood thirst iness. also vice versa. i think that was the good hearted argument, that people didn't express publicly. the people that maintained this system would have told you if they were being exactly frank. you don't know how much white people are going around killing these other people. we've had lynchings in the past. we don't see want to see that in the future. we'll try to get black people treated more fairly and open up college for them, but don't try and mix it, we'll have violence. that would have been the argument. you know, americans rejected that basically. in a national movement. so any time you

modern, what had now become the modern conservative movement, and he answered it in a very william f. buckley way. he replied that he thought the movement was in need of reprisonty nation which probably sent a few people to the dictionary. i don't know if that answers your question. i miss him terribly, and i often mentally reach for the phone wanting to, you know, wanting to get his take on something. but in some ways i'm glad he's not around to see it. [laughter] yes. >> um, i'm here essentially because of the book you wrote about your late parents, and i related to it a great deal. and do you not miss the times where there could be an element of complexity in one's political persona? i mean, i grew up with a father who was a registered republican. he always voted republican. he was a childhood of the depression, i think he was a fiscal republican. but socially i didn't realize that there were certain things that were issues. i didn't realize that being gay was an issue or racial -- i mean, this was, we were taught to be tolerant. this was america. you know? he was a child of an immigrant.

people like william f. buckley saying there's no one else to vote for except ronald reagan and here's richard nixon who thought he would have a stately walk to the nomination suddenly having to contend with this newcomer from california who he had met in 1947 when he was a young congressman. they have known each other for a long time and had correspondents in the year 1916s but by this time they are on opposite sides. as we found throughout the story would be friends and sometimes rivals before either of them reach the oval office. this is the picture most people at walter reed. ike house >> we have these partnerships with reagan and nixon. presidents of the same party often have a more complicated time getting along with each other than presidents of different parties and we see up to this day. with president obama and president clinton obviously their relationship got off to something of a rocky start. the 2008 campaign was bound to be hard on them. the thing that got to clinton most was the fact that during that

he's got people like william f. buckley saying there is no one else to vote for in 1968 except ronald reagan here is nixon who thought he would have a stately walk. suddenly having to contend with this newcomer from california who he had met and just to go back in 1947 when he was an young congressman. they have known each other for a long time and they had corresponded through much of the early 1960's but by this time they are on opposite sides. as we found throughout the story, these men would be friends and sometimes rivals long before either of them would reach the oval office. and this is a picture that most people probably can't time, but right after nixon's visit, sort of he made his combat after watergate and reagan as president. there's a great story between the two of them. when nixon becomes president he goes to see ike at walter reed and ike is not well. and the old soldier says tunic son, and sees giving him advice. he says, i am yours to command. when reagan becomes president in 1981 and a long, 10 page single

he's got people like william f. buckleyanders sought to vote for accept ronald reagan and his nixon who thought he would have a stately walk, set late with the newcomer from california. not to go back in 1947 when he was a young congressman. so they've known each other for a long time, corresponding to the early 1960s. but by this time they're on opposite sides. as we found throughout the story, demand for randall's long before they reach the oval office. this is the picture that most people probably can't time, the red after nixon had made his comeback after watergate, reagan as president and there's a great story between the two of them. the nixon become president he goes to sleep right at walter reid and i.t. is not well and ill soldiers is to to nixon, as he is giving him advice before he leaves, he says i am yours to command. celebrity becomes president in 1981, and a 10 page single spaced letter, which nixon would write to reagan would all come to advice about who appointed him how to conduct your first year he would

george will got his column, he was like how the hell am i going to write two columns a week and william f. buckley at oh georgia will be easy. i think that annoyances one of these things that helps you get through the day. if you see something, say something i think is and i'm not saying that everything you write has to be full of animus or ill will or anything like that but if something makes you mad you know what you want to say. if you are just thinking something through, you need a lot of thumbsucking and on the one hand this and on the other hand that. sometimes that's necessary in a column but i think most fun writing is when people actually have a sense of passion or energy about what they want to write about. >> host: thank so much. it's been fantastic to chat with you. guest: thanks for having me. i really appreciate it. ..;ñ?ñ?

will got his column, he was, like, how the hell am i going to write two columns a week, and william f. buckley, my old boss, said, george, it'll be easy, at least two things a week will really annoy you.

has become a happy hunting ground for goofy regulations, but the late william f. buckleyonce said that even a stopped clock is right twice a day. and on this rule, this clean air rule and the earlier interstate rule, i believe e.p.a. is right. the effect of upholding it rule will be finally to recognize that -- finally to require that most coal plants everywhere in america will have to install two kinds of pollution-control equipment. scrubbers and s.c.r.'s and this will basically finish the job of capturing sulfur and nitrogen oxides, fine particles and the 187 toxic pollutants that were specifically identified by congress in the 1990 clean air amendments. the tennessee valley authority has already committed to install this equipment by 2018. but t.v.a. alone can't clean up tennessee's air because dirty air blows in from other states. so let me say what upholding this rule will do for the people of tennessee. first, it will hasten the day when memphis, chattanooga and knoxville are not three of the top five worst asthma cities -- which they are today -- and nashville is