the two people most responsible for my political formation are william f. buckley nordlinger, but as author say in the acknowledgment section of their book is that they are not to be held responsible for my errors, so midge, we are back in 1965 and you are a slick of a girl for minnesota and i want to know where were you politically or where was your head at, we used to say in 1965, politically? were you migrating left to right or what my mac well, i was, but i did not know that i was. i thought where i was of the labor movement has it seems to me they were the only really reliable anti-communist in the country and that was the leading passion. i was anti-communist and one was hard put to come by people who really felt the same passion accept on the left. on the near left. so, there i was. i will let him talk about his leftism. mind was slightly different because i came from minnesota and we are very stupid. [laughter] >> you are not speaking of al franken, i trust? >> happily i was not there when that happened, but it could have happened when i was there. so, wher

people like richard weaver that leads us to the william f. buckley's and so there is a rich intellectual tradition that in recent years we've got to know me from as we dumb down conservatism to win votes. >> host: tell me if you agree there is still contemporary intellectuals in the movement. i've offer like thomas sole. but they seem to be getting marginalized. they are not getting as much attention as some other folks. why do you think that is? >> guest: part of it is the product of the culture. you have the entertainment wing of the party really kind of dominating and so you know, he can write something fabulous but if rush limbaugh says something mean or an cold process something on cable news, what's going to get the most attention. so really in the book "too dumb to fail," the title harkens to the too big to fail mentality where -- in the case of too big to fail you obviously had financial institutions who who had provers incentives to take risks that ultimately we the taxpayers would bail them out and i think you have a similar dynamic in the co

he was a charter subscribe her to william f. buckley's national review. he read "witness," an incredibly influential book on the right. some people said he enemy rised that book. -- enemy rised that book. -- memorized that book. and having all of this conversation to ge tomorrow president world influenced -- corporate world influenced him and took him so far that by the end of the period he has the view that government can do no good and business can do no ill, and it was really a blind spot, i think you could say forks the remainder of his career himself was i incapable of believe that government can be effective outside of national defense and maybe a few other assumptions, and he never thinks business does anything wrong. he never -- he sort of doesn't -- not part of his vocabulary to think that business could be abusive or coercive or monopolistic. he always defended big business. it's really lard to tap that out. i went to the reagan library, and the file on the ge years is -- has like 30 pages in it. there's not a single surviving copy of the siege

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he was a charter subscriber to william f. buckley's "national review." he read whittaker chambers witness which was an incredibly influential book on the right. he almost memorized that book. he read hayek and i think these books, having all of his connection to ge corporate world really influenced him. and took them so far that by the end of that period he sort of has the view that government can do no good, and business can do no ill. it was really a blind spot i think you could say for the remainder of his career. he was sort of incapable of believing that government can be effective outside of national defense and maybe a few other functions. he never thinks business does anything wrong. he sort of doesn't, that's not part of his vocabulary to think that this is could be abusive or coercive or monopolistic. he's always defending the prerogatives of big business. it's really hard to doubt that a. i went to the reagan library and a file on the ge years has like 30 pages into. there's not a single surviving copy of the speech a recording that anybody ha

even william f. buckley supported a public service for--young people who are 18. i think when you're part of the risk, you're gonna be part of the solution. our founding fathers did not want a professional army. they were very explicit about this. they called it-- we did not want a standing army. and the moment we get awe and a tiny number of people go to fight when they shouldn't be sent to fight because "they're a professional army" doing their job--the moment we have that awe, we surrender to that kind of militarization of our foreign policy. and having been in the army, i can assure you that when you're in the army, navy, air force, or marines, you don't have awe of those people when you get out, because you know too much. >> second question, what are the most important questions you would ask the presidential candidates in the next debate? >> how will you shift power from the few to the many in ways that make it very easy for people to band together as consumers, as workers into democratic trade unions, as small taxpayer groups, and as communities who are bei

because this was not the william f. buckley conservatism of saying, stop, or just conserving and the root of the word, what we have. this was something he truly originated throughout his scholarship, and put to force in the courts, when he began originalism was not a household word on the courts, let alone on the republican campaign trail. and what he said is, not only can we conserve, speak but we can actually use this methodology, which he said he was applying, which he said was, essentially, in his view, nonpartisan to build on the conservative roots in the constitution, in our founding documents, and to reshape the society. he, in some sense, was successful in moving a lot of conservative thought and some of the mainstream. >> you know, i think -- i heard him once say that he liked law. what he didn't like was finding truths, like in all the landmark cases, certainly, brown-to-brown case and roe v. wade, they always involve the justices finding something inherent in the constitution that isn't worded there. and he didn't li

william f. buckley is the other, and then justice scalia. many people that will be coming here to pay homage and tribute to justice scalia are conservatives, people that feel that he was a part of their tribe and gave conservative ideas in the supreme court a public hearing, a say, and in that way his ideas are very alive today. >> all right. we have to take a break. thank you. stick around, douglas and jeffrey. we'll have much more. the next hour of "cnn newsroom" after a break. you're an at&t small business expert? sure am. my staff could use your help staying in touch with customers. at&t can help you stay connected. am i seeing double? no ma'am. our at&t 'buy one get one free' makes it easier for your staff to send appointment reminders to your customers... ...and share promotions on social media? you know it! now i'm seeing dollar signs. you should probably get your eyes checked. good one babe. optometry humor. right now get up to $650 in credits to help you switch to at&t. absolutely ageless® night cream aveeno® with active naturals® b

as william f. buckley told his son, never debate an amount ate. resounding so much that they had that "saturday night live" episode celebrating we have trump, we have trump. don't celebrate that. >> president clinton yesterday basically looked to compare the sanders movement to the tea party and so you can argue -- he said they've got to get over that hump. >> everybody's got to get over trump. >> they've got a big -- >> larry willmore had the funniest line. hillary's looking at bernie saying, wait a minute, i'm about to get obamaed by an old white guy. that's exactly what's happening. >> i can't help but think that tony's got a break. i keep going back to how this all started, how badly her campaign started because the clinton foundation, because of the money that bled into the e-mails and you've always said everything always goes back to the money and it actually is the money. >> money matters. >> this couple that was worth $100 million that was still taking half a million from interests that -- foreign interests that had business before the sta

one of the great legacies of william f. buckleyement we can't have a nominee of the republican party who is tolerate organize seeming to tolerate at any level the racists, the nuts, the conspiracy theorists that have long played a part in american life so he does need to go out and clean this up. you step back and look and survey the whole campaign. all of the faux outrages he's resisted when the condemnation has come when he stood tall and strong and said i'm not going to apologize, i'm not going to step back. it's benefitted him every single time and will continue to do so until the moment it doesn't. and we've reached that moment where it won't and he needs to clean this up because david duke in the american consciousness is a particularly odious figure. >> and i think he needs to show he's not ignorant to american history and the american consciousness and how we have evolved. he has to show that he understands where we are today as a country and how he could unify us more instead of literally tear us back 50 years. >> we're ta