and that's a shift in conservatism from the time that william f. buckleyas espousing it at the beginning. >> i'm not sure that most get this, margaret. i really don't. >> i agree with you. >> but i think it's the leading edge. you know, i've always been kind of on the leading edge, thank goodness. and the leading edge of this is -- you need to care a little bit more. now, if, all of a sudden, the federal government said they were gonna yank up the match on medicaid expansion, they were gonna wreck my state, i withdraw. >> right. >> i mean, that's your brain. your brain and your heart -- they have to work together. >> that's it. listen, can we talk about trade? >> sure. >> another tenet of the conservative movement -- trade. we've always been for trade. >> well, you know, conservatives are still for trade, so i don't know what these other people are. >> they're calling themselves conservatives. when they're in washington, they're against trade. >> yeah. >> the one thing -- let's start with from a point of common ground. the one place you and the reigning co

>> to the wonder and enjoyment of many, i will not be william f. buckley. h a heralded legacy. he is important to so many people and i approach this with a real respect for his legacy and what he brought to the table but i am not him and will not try to be him. >> stephen: it was a conservative show with conservative arguing with all sorts of people-- political, cultural. do you consider yourself a conservative? >> i consider myself a conservative to a certain extent. i moonlight as an l.g.b.t. advocate. i run an l.g.b.t. advocacy organization that works with republicans. ( applause ) we work with republicans and we make the case that freedom means freedom for everyone, and where that really lends itself at this moment in time is to securing full civil rights protections to l.g.b.t. americans because there are still 28 states where you can be fired for being gay, and it's things republicans don't know. it's mostly in red states. there are many people who are socially conservative who would not say i am conservative because of those views. >> stephen: what is

george will, william f buckley.for me, a guy most people, not a household name anymore but irving kristol, who was bill kristol's dad, and profound influence on me, deep and abiding influence. i might disagree with them. i have disagreements with all of them. but those guys -- the biggest influence was my dad. my dad was a very cerebral guy. one reason i loved irving kristol's he reminded me of my dad. a little jewish intellectual whose idea of vacation was going from one side of the couch to another to read a different book or magazine. or go to europe to look at museums. one of his only favorite hobbies was going on long walks with his sons to talk about how bad communism was. those guys for sure. i could come up with some other names pretty easily but you brought up charles. i don't want to talk too much because it is bad luck to cry on c-span. the news about charles krauthammer is devastating and i know charles had a dr. strangelove persona on tv, kind of fry and stern and all that kind of stuff. more decent and

george will, william f buckley.for me, it's not really a household name anymore but irving kristol who was bill kristol dad had a profound influence on me. had disagreements with all of them.. those guys were big influences on me. the biggest influence was my dad. he reminded me a lot of my dad. my dad was a jewish intellectual whose idea vacation was going from one seller couch to another to read a different book or magazine or going to europe to look at museums. those guys for sure, i can come up with some other names pretty easily, but just since you brought up charles, i don't want to bring it up too much but the news about charles is just devastating. i know charles had a strange love persona on tv. a more decent and humane human being, i'm not sure you could name. he was amazing. it is a whole that i don't think never be filled without him in ourur public life. it breaks my heart that he's gone. >> you talk about people within the republican party not getting along very well. only have stuff like what happened

william f. buckleyevision tradition which is bring this rigorous contest of ideas to television for 33 years, longest running television host in history. nobody gives him credit for that. it's extraordinary and that's the tradition we're trying to do. bring back a really respectful exchange of ideas, so few places on television do you get to just be with one person for 30 minutes and do a deep dive on a single topic. >> you'll stick with a real long discussion in depth. >> in our media climate which is so fractured, a lot of people end up going to podcasts or other places for a deep dive on a single idea and that's what we'll return to television. thanks to william f. buckley jr. >> he was a legend as i said, conservative legend. you also come i guess from republican royalty. the great granddaughter of president hoover. >> it is a legacy that i am in the "firing line" legacy. i certainly understand what it's like. a lot of people care about carrying that torch forward and approach it with a lot of honor

but krauthammer i read from very early age, george will, william f. buckley for me, guy that most people don't really dishes not a household name anymore butter irving crystal. i had disagreements with all of them, but those guys were big -- tom sole another, a big influence on me. the biggest influence on me was my dad. my dad was very cerebral guy. irving crystal reminded me of my dad his idea of a vacation was going from one side of the koch of the other to read a different book or magazine or go to europe to look at museums and his idea -- one of his only favorite hobbies was going on lock walks with his sons to talk about how bad communism was. but those guys for sure. i can come up with some other names pretty easily but -- just since you brought up charles, i don't want to talk about him too much because it's a bad look to cry on c-span, but the news but charles krauthammer is devastating and the thing that people dish know that charles had sort of this dr. strangelove persona, wry and -- a more decent and humane and -- mench like -- he is an amazing m

there is this old william f. buckley quote. people who compare the kgb to the cia, it's basically like saying that the person who pushes an old lady out of the way of a hurtling bus is the same as the guy who pushes an old lady in front of a hurtling bus, because either way, you're pushing old ladies around. that's what donald trump is doing. when he says yeah, putin kilts people, but hey, america kills people too. that is an utter insult for america. we do not do the things that vladimir putin and north korea do. and to suggest that there is a moral equivalence is utterly unpatriotic, and it's an attack on this country. and i think every patriotic american, but especially conservatives should be outraged by that. >> butalso, it's the same thing, though, if you look at what happens when you say fine people on both sides. i know people are -- charlottesville. >> yeah, but think about what you want about antifa. it literally means anti-fascism. when you say people who are fighting anti-fascism are the same as neo-nazis, it's exac

put him in the league of william f. buckley.'t think there is much in between that kind of refined, conservative think irthat reallthinker that put hip on his time. you know, i don't know if people are comfortable sometimes talking about religion, but charles is jewish. i remember even doing -- where did you go in a tent and have a meal. i remember going to an event at the kennedy center that celebrated ancient hebrew music. i remember my wife saying to me we wouldn't be here for anybody but charles krauthammer. the music was obviously not contemporary in any sense. charles wanted to keep that jewish history alive. and so many people came out, so many were appreciative of his effort. similar coming up on the fourth of july. charles would have me out to his summer home on the chesapeake bay. there was something very special about it. it wasn't just hot dogs and cokes. charles would have us read from the declaration of independence. all of us would read a passage. and i got to tell you nothing as emotional of patriotism. different

through william f. buckley. straight into ronald reagan. what's happening today is an aberration of all of those things. that's fine, i wonder where conservatives go now. >> they are too frightened to actually express themself. the difference between the mark sanford and the rest of the republican actual conservatives in the country is that mark sanford will be okay today. if that's what it takes, if, if he has to lose -- his re-election in order to conservative? and stay trueo the policie beli. that is mark sanford. he is definitely flawed, he's had his problems and he took his knocks. but i will tell you, this is the kind of conservative that is missing in washington today. someone who can stand up. you all will go down together, because you don't have backbones, you don't have a moral compass and you don't know how to stand up to the ideals that you say you believe in. he is. he's losing his re-election because of it. but he's standing up for what is right. >> for what he's fought for, for 25 years. >> i may not agree, but -- >> here's w

no wonder that william f. buckley is national review viewed eisenhower as an apostate and heaped abuse on him throughout his years in office. on the other hand, eisenhower was no liberal. that became very evident in his handling of mccarthyism and the red scare. eisner accepted the basic premise of the red hunters, that there were, in fact, communists that had bored into the foundations of american government. and they need to be rooted out, and this after all is why he put richard nixon on the ticket in 1952. it's perfectly clear that eisenhower loathed joseph mccarthy, found in a mile specimen of humanity but it was mccarthys cruel methods, the destructive faceless personal attacks that eisenhower scorned. not the idea of hunting down communists that might be doing subversive things in the american government, or for that matter, did not score the idea of hunting down homosexuals in government. another era in which eisenhower administration took decisive steps. it's a tell-all biography, people. there's the good and

against 50 years, 60 years, 70 years of milton friedman's idea, of ronald reagan's idea, of william f. buckley's helps the economy grow and you look at our gdp since 1945, straight line-up. >> yeah with free trade. it creates jobs in america. by the way, i like the president's announcement that we should go for zero tariffs that should be the goal with all of these trading partners. now he says we need to put tariffs on to get to zero tariffs. i don't agree with that but the goal is right. reduce the tariffs. >> he has been talking about tariffs and trade wars. >> it's the one constant. >> certainly but he doesn't know the ramifications of what happens when you embark upon the route he's clearly taking. yes harley davidson. he made the engines in milwaukee. could be lost jobs there. they make component arts outside of pittsburgh. could be jobs lost there. on the horizon is the deal negotiating with the chinese. how dangerous do you think that is as you look at it? >> so i think we should push the chinese on intellectual property but i don't think we should put tariffs on chinese goods. those, by

about -- about william f. buckley. and yes, about the sainted ronald wilson reagan. who mitch mcconnell says, was not as conservative as donald j. trump. lifetime democrat and contributor to the dnc, nancy pelosi, rahm emanual and chuck schumer. that's our america, mika. and sadly, that's our republican party. and that is the problem today. >> it's a big one. >>> coming up on "morning joe," eddie mentioned earlier in the company, president trump seems to value loyalty above nearly everything else. that maybe puts the test as michael cohen appears poised to split with his attorneys, setting up big questions about whether he's willing to cooperate with prosecutors. >>> plus, our own jacob soveroff has some incredible reporting yesterday from a detention center in texas housing over 1,000 kids who came to the country without documentation. one of the first things those children see when theentering t compound? this mural of president trump. we'll be right back. us! all around louisiana... you're a nincompoop! (phone ping) gentlemen, i have just received word! the louisi