william f. buckleyurpose of national review in that case stand before history yelling stop. we need do more than yell stop. we have to go on offense to your point, chris. nice work. >> that's right. unfortunately the william f. buckley ideology was standing before history yelling stop and they got ran over. it's time to move forward. it's time to fight. it's time to push. and thank god for people like ron antioxidants. desantis.chris, great to talk tu tonight. thank you so much. blow up dolls, cheese cake and stupid bank robbers. johnny joey jones is on the clock for those topics tailor made for him, next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ experience the power of sanctuary at the lincoln wish list event. do you take aspirin? plain aspirin could be hurting your stomach. new vazalore is the first liquid-filled aspirin capsule clinically shown to cause fewer ulcers than plain aspirin. vazalore is designed to help protect... releasing aspirin after it leaves your stomach... where it is absorbed to give you the benefits o

. - in 1976, william f. buckley jr. hosted one of your scoundrels, roy cohn, to this program, along with mark felt, who of course later outed himself as being "deep throat" in the watergate affair. and they were discussing j edgar hoover. take a look at this. - i see you disagr with mr. felt, who believes that mr. hoover should've been retired earlier. - i don't. i wish mr. hoover was still here. - what i said was that i thought he should have retired while he was still champ. and i feel terribly bad about what's being done to him. he's being colored. - well, i think he he's a champ to me, and i think he's a champ to millions of people around this country. and i think to the american people, mr. j edgar hoover is still a pretty darn good name. - wow. - isn't it amazing? all right. so one of your top 25 scoundrels in american history, you write about him in the poem the wonder boy. forty-five years later, roy cohn's reputation has plummeted. j edgar hoover's isn't much better. mark feltz has improved dramatically. ho

dirksen senate office building 0 -- craig shirley, we referenced william f buckley but i want to ask bout him and milton friedman and their effects on ronald reagan's thinking. >> guest: it can't be measured. reagan was a personal friend of bill buckley's, they exchanged many many letters and bill buckley was also a friend of mrs. reagan, nancy reagan and they shared a lot of letters, got together socially and things like that and the national magazine, it cannot be underestimated in its role in the conservative movement beginning in the 1950s and defining conservatism and rejecting john burke society and other things like that as part of the american conservative movement, they were extremely close friends and also milton friedman won the nobel prize for economics what he's teaching at the university of chicago, was a national celebrity. in the 70s when pbs was running a series on economics contained a lot of interviews with friedman but speaking in spite of reagan's policies including tax cuts and budget policies that helped restart the economy as a means of adding dollars to the wo

other ways in these mad conspiracy ways, things that 30 years earlier the conservatives like william f. buckley the mainstream of the right, the john bircher stuff, were allowed in, more and more and more, which came into the mainstream, the republican party, and, again, the charles cokes of the world and the olans and billionaires and the university of chicago libertarians and all the rest didn't believe it, but they used those politically used those exciting falsehoods that were growing in number and adherence in the '90s to get their way. joe said the other day, if you just make a political party around the needs of the rich and big business, you don't have much of a political coalition. you can't really win elections. unless you get these other people who you can convince to vote against their own economic interests to believe all kinds of fantasies that get you elected. and that's really to your point of how these two things have worked together. >> and up next, more from our conversation with best-selling author kurt andersen, as we look at the future of america's economy. that's coming u