big table jeffrey life she's former us ambassador to australia and now chairman of the william fulbright scholarship board the fulbright of one of the world's most coveted and renowned international studies and exchange programs ambassador it's good to have you on the show you're in berlin this week for the fulbright commission's annual conference here in berlin and we want to talk about fulbright in just a moment but i'd like to talk to you first as the former ambassador to australia the gunman in last week's new zealand mosque massacres came from australia what went through your mind when you heard that. well first brant thank you for having me on and thank you for being a fulbright to yourself. what went through my mind when i heard the news i i hope is the same thing that went through the minds of all decent people around the world which is this is her fake act an act of. hate and violence and everything that we should be standing against and to hear the news. here in berlin. i think it just it merely brought to mind and i'd better let her know that we stand against those who are denied their re