you open the book with a story about william goodell. >> so, darpa has this -- william goodell was very close to eisenhower and a seminal figure in the intelligence world, and i hope someone will write a book about him. he he has a history in which darpa is an important part. 1958 there were three figures who were key, which says a lot out eisenhower. the first director or darpa was the vice president of general elect and followed in the moldovan industrialist, and the idea being that it's about managing science, not necessarily science itself. so roy johnson was chosen as the first director, and he really thought he was going to bring men in uniform into space. this military would control space. that part eisenhower was not crazy about. he was listening to science advisor who wanted a civilian speights agency so roy johnson, and then herb york, a young physicist from california, practice, arrogant and smart, and then in the background this guy, i interviewed the first financial administrator and she said i had no idea where william goodell came from. the just showed up and nobody said