fisher's attorney was a very prominent new york attorney in the old building and his name was william jay casey as and ronald reagan's head of the cia. i actually gone up and met them. we were pretty close to signing on the dotted line. come five or six years later, the president of heritage, the founder and i go out and call that bill casey in the super secret office of the cia and asked casey if he would make a major gift for the tenth anniversary. he looked very stern across the desk and said i gave heritage -- i let them have a deal with me. laughter irca is a kind of an interesting little sidelight. >> the spring of 1977 and you are taking over as president of the [inaudible] [laughter] >> that would have been a terrific idea. >> [inaudible] >> exactly. why, what was there about heritage? of course you had been working on an outside specter but it was basically not that well known. i was a little bit on the preferred the of what was going on in washington, d.c.. why did you do this? >> i came directly from the staff in the house of representatives and paul myrick who was the first presiden