government of alexis tsipras really precluded negotiations that would have taken place otherwise >>> william kleinere has been an abrupt and serious contraction in the size of the greek economy. people are a lot poorer, a lot more people are out of work. they are spending less money, shops are closing. is that a country enabled to pay its debts? >> they were actually turning the corner last year, and the private forecasters saw growth of 2% this year. those forecasts came down to zero, and if they were done today they'd say less than zero, because of unnecessary populist confrontation of the government. they had basically situation where the debt that they have overstates the burden of it because it's basically very low interest, it's owed to the european governments, it's paying 1.5% interest, and there was room for reduction of that interest. i think the imperative to make a populous break with the past got them into more trouble, where corner. >> how does this happen. yes, they were playing fast and loose with the facts. yes they were keeping two sets of books. they were doing a lot of wrong th