i wrote about william livingston, who was a signer of the constitution and important because he ran a magazine in new york in the 1750s. john adams who i left out of my book said that the american revolution, the real american revolution happened 15 or 20 years before the shots rang out in lexington. >> host: williams's remark. >> guest: and intellectuals. he said it happened in the hearts and minds of the americans and if you want to see how they changed their affections and their ideas just look at the literature, the pamphlets or the sermons even of the last 15 years or so. but he didn't go far enough back because the place where it really started was with william livingston's magazine, the independent reflector. he wanted to model it on the fuel spectator. >> is this weekly monthly? >> guest: it is weekly which he knows the road with a couple friends. he started with a fuss about establishing columbia college. it turned into a lesson where he talked to america the ideas of government by consent, the right of the people to resist or as jefferson some doubt many years later, the ser

she writes her father william livingston the writer of the wonderful magazine in the 17 50's. she writes her father to precise paragraphs about how a sugar mill works. so she loved -- she was fantastic. when john jay was off making the jay treaty she writes and she says now don't, don't be mad at me. but you know we have been investing our money by lending it out and so now everybody who owes us money has paid us back and nobody wants to borrow money just now. so there is all this bank stock going on and you know what seemed to me like a really good investment. she gives a little kind of investment report about the kind of analyst report on why at this stock would be good to purchase. so she said i took the money and i bought it and she said it's already gone up x are sent. so she was fantastic. the thing about john jay that is most striking, although we remember him as our first chief justice justice in fact he is most important for having made the treaty that ended the revolutionary war and what's so interesting about it is that the congress under the leadership of madison's