>> commissioners, i'm officer william mccarthy. and i'm the permit officer. i had a chance to meet with mr. patino and i believe the permit. and i ran the crime stats for year to date, and taken the time frame from 6:00 p.m. to 6:00 in the morning. and the 7 months or so, i am sorry, ten months time period there was 117 a part one crimes as well as public intoxication and dui. 39 were thefts and there were 37 vehicle thefts and 13 assault and 13 robberies and 4 burglaries, and two warrant arrests and two duis and two sexual offenses and two public drunkenness. and so based on those stats, i am respectfully requesting that you approve the conditions that are before you. >> okay. condition number eleven, is we grant permits here, and we take them away. and so we are the only people to do that, so i feel like condition number eleven will have to be struck. other than that... all right, thank you. >> thank you. >> i will open the floor to public comment. seeing none, public comment is closed. commissioners? >> i have a question about condition number one. your ex

william mccarthy and thereafter to deliver your verdict. u have heard the facts of this crime, and i believe they make the situation very clear. mr. james mccarthy's account of his father's dying is singular, to say the least. his refusal to give any details of their last conversation must go very much against him. the verdict of willful murder would seem to me to fit the facts we have heard. i hope i make myself clear. >> so willful murder it was. >> monstrous. >> well, the boy did rather ask for it. >> oh, my dear watson, don't you see that both you and the coroner have been to some pains to single out the strongest points in the young man's favor? don't you see that you alternately give him credit for too much imagination or too little-- too little if he could not invent a quarrel which would give him the sympathy of the jury; too much if he evolved from his own inner consciousness anything so outre as a dying reference to a rat? >> well, these country coroners do think they're little tin-pot gods. >> it's an absolute scandal. [clock chim

one is joseph mccarthy, and the other other is the william jenner. jenner made mccarthy look like a pipsqueak when it came to the attack on marshall. called him a traitor to the country, selling the country out, and it's amazing to watch. eisenhower deeply admired marshall, and he was just completely and absolutely flabbergasted by this, and yet it comes time for eisenhower to go to indiana and campaign, and jenner is right up there, pumping his hand and keeps racing icessen hour's hand to rave at the people, and eisenhower is like, i don't know if i want to do this, but does it. and there's the famous moment in the eisenhower has a speech in which he is going to be giving on the train with mccarthy, and he has him -- part that i kind of pretty explicit attack on mccarthy saying, you've gone too far and you shouldn't dishonor, honorable men and that language, and his advisor says you have to take this out. and they try to play it up to him. it feels kind of like you're adding something on at the last moment. but we all know it was his chance to say i'

i am reminded of what mary mccarthy said about william holmes.every word she writes is a lie, including and and the. [laughter] and that's my view, of what is out there about who. i think he -- for the same reasons chambers gets me. finally, hoover himself was very skeptical of chambers. these fbi guys didn't just accept anybody and anyone telling them so. they didn't accept that we. they spent a lot of time backtracking, checking. i might say evasively checking up on people through wiretaps, which there are many in the fbi files, transcripts but i say once you read raw wiretaps you never want to go back. that's the real stuff. this is unedited. it's the real thing. and what they did over and over again was to find out who was telling the truth. and if i'm determined that chambers was the one telling the truth. long before the case became public. >> professor gaddis, do you want to say something? >> it was a question that i want to raise. and it's something that puzzled me in reading witness -- "witness," something that puzzled me in thinking thr