. >> a great sociologist named william mccord. he was a sociologist. >> you said then, and i guess you are about 24 that you are not there to create a perfect world and that you believed, i mean in leading -- i am not here to build a perfect society, just to ensure that the gets us chance to live his life his own way. can you talk about in that quote the tactical accordance of remaining realistic. if he could say something about how that philosophy -- to. >> i don't think that was the term. what i saw and there was a slip of the way in the african-american movement. in 1964 people said we are making fun of him. if you remember the great play green pastures which is set in dialect of the time. there's a character in there called the log. the people used to call him mocking him as mr. high and mighty. there were differences both over strategy and tactics but also with delawd. this turned out to be the majority of black people and it's been replayed with a lgbt people. a lgbt people that were originally opposed to marriage as a goal,