trump loves president william mckinnley and mr.innley and the power tariffs and ordered by president trump to read mckinnley's biography and robert mary wrote it and 6 0* pages long and instrumental and it was a great president. nee anyway, having establish it had we know william mckinnley and you worked for him. i came in later and worked with harding and coolidge. but you approve ovthe tariff diplomacy basically? >> his negotiation stat jim jordan is rate on and -- strategy is right on and the capital transfers across country. those are the gains from trade and in trade wars, there's no winner, but the losers are not equal by any means. if you get a little tiny country and a great big country and our market is 90% of their business, literally you have a lot of leverage over these countries like panama, like mexico, like canada, these countries if they negotiate that using as leverage and getting all he wants, they should have a maintain or stay in mexico policy. he's using trade as a leverage point and that's exactly the right wa