i knew i couldn't stay at william morris any longer. so he asked me to be his assistant.yes. the day that i left william morris and was going to start at abc, they fired the tsar of abc -- the czar of abc programming, and they reached out, and they picked my guy, leonard goldberg, to be head of programming. so i went from this little tiny thing, to moving to new york, to becoming the assistant of the head of programming at abc, and within six months, i was running the program department. david: you're on your way. and eventually you became the president of abc television, is that right? barry: well, the entertainment part. david: entertainment part. and you invented something that was novel at the time called the movie of the week. >> abc presents the movie of the week. barry: we had the idea of saying, well, rather than buying mostly bad movies and putting on continually television series that tend to fail, why don't we see if we can make a movie every week? and we chose this 90-minute form rather than two hours. it was very ambitious. because it had not been done before