let's discuss the details now with former british diplomats and all that professor william mullins and many thanks for joining us on the program this evening. it's lovely to see so well not my parent didn't specify which country could have carried out what he called a state sponsored terrorist attack. what's your assessment of his statement? my assessment is 1st, the seymour hersh is one of the most respected journalist in the world. and has been for at least the last 4 decades. he expose the meal i massacre which the americans tried to, to, to, to hide when vietnam he exposed. right massacre, horror, torture in iraq, which again the americans tried to hide. he uses impeccable sources, and there's no doubt that what he's saying has to be taken seriously. compare that to the new york times, quoting anonymous sources, that is the typical gray black propaganda used by the stooges, some of the students in the new york times. as regards the so called to ukraine into the yard, i wouldn't be in the least surprised if even that was part of the p r. 5 fighting operation plan. in any case to div