as we open this up to the audience, let me remind us all of a quote by william o. douglas. william o. douglas may not have been -- what shall i say? he was a pretty secular person by reputation at least, judge not that ye be judge, but a great friend of freedom. whether you agreed with him or not, he was a great friend of freedom. and he wrote in one of his preponderances for the court, not just speaking for himselfs speaking of america, we are a religious people whose institutions presuppose a supreme being. when you return to the declaration, when you return to those founding principles and the founding, what i think the founding generation was really lifting up for all of us were the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our posterity. please join me in saying thank you to alan dershowitz. [applause] now we hear from the audience. >> that's right. and let me just confirm for the record that both of our guests have in other words said that the united states ought to have a firm international religious freedom policy, and i'm delighted to have you both on the record for th

we open this up to the audience, let me remind us all by william o. douglas. been what shall i say?he was a secular person by reputation. not that you be not judged but a great friend of freedom with him oragreed not, he was a great friend of freedom and wrote in one of his the court just speak for hillself, speaking speaking off, america we are a religious people whose institutions being.ose a supreme when you return to the declaration, when you return to those founding principles and the founding what i think the founding generation was really lifting up for all of us were the blessings of liberty for ourselves and our pos tarity. join me in saying thank you to alan dershowitz. [applause] and now we hear from the audience. >> that's right. thelet me just confirm for record that both of our guests have, in other words, said that the united states ought to have a firm international religious freedom policy. to have youelighted both on the record on that. i have written for some time not doing the kind of job that we should be doing have youm delighted to end your conversation or at

a very eloquent, partial dissent by william o. douglasho said i need to hear the testimony of the children. one testified said, yes, this is what i want to do, i want to be part of the amish community. and the congress of the united states overwhelmingly rebuked the supreme court of the united states and, essentially, restored the standard that the court had rejected in the peyote case. >> well, i actually worked on drafting some of the language of the religious restoration act and very, very strongly support it. one of the cases that led to it was also the case of a jewish psychologist who had testified wearing a -- [inaudible] and had been told he couldn't wear it, and the supreme court, in an opinion by chief justice rehnquist, affirmed that. and so this was a situation where many in the jewish community, many in christian communities all got together. and beauty of the act and some of the court decisions that have come afterward is that they really do focus on minority religions; the hialeah case where they sacrifice chickens, the ami