comes to credibility so let's speak to somebody who actually does it joining me to discuss is william o. holland owner of the real prison consultant and author of prison etiquette the real guide in secret codes to living and surviving in prison we have thanks so much for joining us tonight and i guess first orders you know tell us a little bit about yourself in terms of how much time you had to serve what kind of facility you were it what gives you the the credibility because you do label yourself as the number one prison consultant in the u.s. absolutely i have thirty years in the criminal justice system and i are actually searching where i'm going years saarc reasons arm chair medium. high security systems and i believe there is neither credentials to reprise its arms on isn't going to produce it not if you earn based on their rights some of these years you consultants. are going to miss garston they're going to get. over all do you think you're better equipped to prepare someone for going behind bars than say an attorney would be. absolutely there is some government officials and other ex gov