in that william ortiz -- in that william ortiz -- by next -- i met william ortiz. when i was in college. he is and then it gets results. consider him very much for this position. supervisor kim: that you. >> good afternoon. i'm with the northern california independent booksellers association, and i'm here to speak for pete mulvihill. he is one of the owners of green apple books, which is a nationally respected, profitable independent bookstore. i know saying profitable and bookstore in the same sentence is an oxymoron in some instances, but what is important, i think, for the commission to be thinking about is the advantage of having a strong retail -- not only a retail advocate, a retail merchant who has been successful, and green apple is known for thinking outside the box, for financial acumen, for marketing savvy, and i think that he brings a perspective that is important. i know that a supervisor campos -- that supervisor campos asked about underserved areas with the small business commission. one of the issues with that is a lot of those people are retailers