the scenes to tamp down the threats of armed actions from all sides let's talk about this with william perry he served us secretary of defense under president bill clinton and talk nukes would load korea face to face including yang he is also found of the william j. perry for a nonprofit efforts to educate the public about the threat of nuclear weapons he's also the author of my journey at the nuclear brink dr perry joins me from stanford university in palo alto thank you so much for being with us mr secretary. it's good to be with you again larry all right united states has been. wrestling with the usual of north korea's nuclear program for more than two decades how would you assess the situation right now is dangerous the north koreans now have a nuclear capability they have capability to use to wear short medium range missiles and they will soon have a capability to use to have on wage missiles. so that's their capability the question is what's the danger what's the threat that poses i think they will not launch a surprise attack against the united states or its allies that this regime is

reading the tea leaves, if you will, in south korea, and joining me now is william perry, the former tary of defense and the clinton administration, who served or advised nearly every administration since eisenhower and senior fellow at the hoover institution. secretary perry, wonderful to see you again. what is your read on all of these mixed messages and importantly on the way that the president's rhetoric is being read in north korea. >> i think fundamentally, andrea, north korea has its objective, to keep the regime in power. given that objective, it is not going to conduct an unprovalked attack against the united states or against one of our allies because they know if they do that, the regime will be swept from power. the danger really is not that north korea is going to conduct an unprovoked attack on us, the danger is that we will blunder, we will blunder into some sort of war, a war that can be catastrophic. >> and the danger of blundering, i was talking to admiral stevrides yesterday, he's going to be speaking to me later today as well, the danger of blundering becomes exagg

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let's talk about this with william perry he served us secretary of defense under president bill clinton and talk nukes with north korea face to face and long yang he is also found of the william j. perry project a nonprofit effort to educate the public about the threat of nuclear weapons he's also the author of my gertie at the nuclear brink dr perry joins me from stanford university in palo alto thank you so much for being with us mr secretary it's great to be with you again larry.

we spoke recently with another former defense secretary william perry he's deeply worried about the nuclear threat particularly the possibility of the world stumbling into a nuclear war he doesn't think that north korea wants to take over other countries obama other countries see things they just want a seat at the table but he's worried about a sort of a stumbling into what are you. yes exactly the north koreans are not suicidal in my assessment i've met with them when i was at the pentagon albright met with her counterparts in north korea so we understand what they're after and what they want to do is have a nuclear weapons capability that can threaten the united states so that their regime succeeds in generation after generation we ought to persuade them there's a way for them to succeed and perpetuate their regime but not to the use of threatening the united states or our allies and secretary perry was correct the danger of miscalculation and that's why i was concerned about the language being used when president trump said we're going to ring down you know fire and fury and brimstone a

the 21st century amounts to expensive overkill, among those critics, former defense secretary william perry well, you can have belts and suspenders, and then belts and suspenders for the belts and the and suspenders. and that is what we are getting into here. >> reporter: perry says the current strategy is based on the folly of winning a nuclear conflict, the kind of cold war thinking caricatured in the classic movie "dr. strangelove"" >> mr. president, i'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed. but i do say no more than 10 to 20 million killed, tops, depending on the breaks. >> the whole sort of "dr. strangelove" rationale that went with how you use nuclear weapons, which was endemic to the cold war, i don't think is in place today. if we regard nuclear weapons, the role of nuclear weapons today, as preventing the use of nuclear the weapons against us, then all of that goes away. >> reporter: the united states is at the point where, to maintain the safety and reliability of its aging nuclear arsenal, largely designed in the 1950s and '60s, almost everything needs an upgrade. there are

. >> i've talked to former secretary of defense william perry who served under president clinton. he told me about what he thought was the north korean regime's end game. >> they're not suicidal. they're not seeking martyrdom. they're trying to keep the kim dynasty sustained. that's what they're seeking. they are ruthless doespotic regime. it is what it is. now they have an arsenal of 20 nuclear weapons. >> saying they are an irrational actor. i think tom freedman said they're homicidal, not suicidal. >> i want to talk about something paul mentioned on this front. it's an interesting political point about the way donald trump talked about a foreign policy in a campaign. it set him apart. here's the other thing, the stated policy is we're not seeking a change. they have nuclear weapons. they don't even have to hit anything in the united states. if they detonate one of these things in the atmosphere, it's enough to mess up with heightened circumstances beyond what previous presidents had to deal with. do we need to be prepared to bomb these? damn right. >> we're going to take a quic

. >> i talked to william perry who served under president clinton and he told me what he thought what was the north korea end game. >> they are not suicidal, the leaders, kim jong-un, they are not seeking martyrdom, they are seeking to have the regime survive and keep the kim dynasty and we should understand that in dealing with them. they are ruthful, despotic regime and cruel to their own people. it is an abhorrent regime and perhaps they have a arsenal of 20 nuclear weapons and we have to take in account. >> he is saying they are a rational actor. and he said they are homicidal not suicidal. >> i think it is an interesting political point about the way donald trump talked about foreign policy in the campaign. think i think is set him apart. but the policy of the trump administration is we're not seeking regime change in north korea and what secretary perry just said, they have nuclear weapons. they don't have to hit anything in the united states. if they detonate one of these things in the atmosphere, it is enough to mess up the electrical grid, airplanes and anything with a circui

defense secretary william perry, one of the most respected voices on informed nuke lee deterrence, tweeted this. i want to read it to you. dr. perry saying, nuclear deterrence is only effective if threats are deemed credible. bluster hurts our national security posture. words from someone who, out of office for many years, remains one of the most credible voices, as i say, on informed nuclear deterrence, wolf? >> very interesting. barbara, thank you. barbara starr at the pentagon. >>> let's talk more about the breaking news. we are joined by our global affairs correspondent elise lachl it and ripley who has done extensive reporting in north korea, 13 times. based on your experience -- you are joining us now from beijing -- what is kim jong-un's end game now? how might he respond to president trump's warning of fire and fury? >> well, the end game is to have an icbm with a miniaturized nuclear warhead, a whole arsenal of them to serve as a deterrent against the united states because north korea has told its citizens for decades that they're under the imminent threat of invasion. as for his

secretary of defense william perry don't forget to tune in for the full show later today here's a snippetof like to counter you said you see be u.s. and north korea heading for some form of conflict when you say what kind of conflict. well north korea has always been reckless and their program cations against south korea so it's easy to imagine they might conduct some kind of a probation which would lead into a military conflict even a small military conflict but a small military conflict would very quickly get out of the hands of the leaders in the countries and escalate into a major military conflict if we had another conventional war with north korea it's one that they would surely you lose and as they lost that war as they saw the regime about to collapse then they might use a nuclear weapons and some sort of a desperate. hell mary so to speak the other way we get into a nuclear war as if threats were so bellicose and if the north korea believed that we were about to launch a preemptive attack on them and destroy the regime then if they believe that they might actually use the nuclear

are apparently being overlooked back in two thousand and fifteen former secretary of defense william j. perry said the nuclear missile project should be dropped because they can be launched without warning incoming both nuclear and conventional variants cruise missiles are uniquely destabilizing type of weapon but destabilization seems to be the least of concerns for the new administration the effect of the trillion dollar trillion dollar plus so-called modernization would have the effect of making possible for u.s. policymakers to believe that they could launch a first strike nuclear war there would be to extremely dangerous development and it reminds us of in the one nine hundred fifty s. when the soviet union was really very far behind the united states there are repeated discussions at the highest levels of the us government whether or not to launch a preemptive nuclear war since the end of world war two peace has been achieved through nuclear deterrence and the balance of power hopefully this concept isn't lost on president trump as he sets out on his quest for an even stronger military

are apparently being overlooked back in two thousand and fifteen former secretary of defense william j. perry said the nuclear missile project should be dropped because they can be launched without warning incoming both nuclear and conventional variants cruise missiles are uniquely destabilizing type of weapon but destabilization seems to be the least of concerns for the new administration the effect of the trillion dollar trillion dollar plus so-called modernization would have the effect of making possible for u.s. policymakers to believe that they could launch a first strike nuclear war there would be extremely dangerous development and it reminds us of in the nineteen fifties when the soviet union was really very far behind the united states there are repeated discussions at the highest levels of the us government whether or not to launch a preemptive nuclear war since the end of world war two peace has been achieved through nuclear deterrence and the balance of power hopefully this concept isn't lost on president trump as he sets out on his quest for an even stronger military sabera con r

with their nuclear weapons i totally agree with my friend and hero former secretary of defense william perry who says look we cannot rely upon china to do all the heavy lifting on this sanctions alone are not going to do it no military option is a good one. the only way ahead is serious direct talks including of course with south korea china and japan secretary perry was here last week he makes quite a case what do you make of that. is valueless what do you make of the term those yeah. making headlines again who. yes and dave the m i six officer christopher steele. more more information comes out daily it's hard to absorb all of it and make sense of it what i would say is this as a former cia officer what i find really odd and very concerning is that in the period before donald trump was even a candidate much less elected there was an incredible amount of. cooperation conversations contacts with russian officials i find that really odd you would think that a presidential candidate would be busy thinking about how what pre-sentencing needs to bring up to where a needs to deploy his resources

this is the first time if you look back at what william perry, the former and highly well-regarded defenset strike. that's clearly what he was talking about when he says the likes of which the world has never seen. that is what was so jarring, and then to have tillerson who is completely unprepared for this. he was wraps up a diplomatic mission traveling through asia. so he was delegated on the plane heading to guam having not seen the original or heard the original instance until he was briefed to him. he then talks to the press about how the world should sleep well and americans should sleep well and not be alarmed by the rhetoric, and then you have mattis's statement a few hours later saying that the knnorth korean regime had better worry if it continues the threats. these voices where everything, anything but all being on the same page. >> david? >> andrea, i wanted to ask you. the administration secretary tillerson are tieing a three-cushion shot diplomatically trying to convin convince china to help deal with the north korea problem. what do you think tillerson is thinking about deal

came from las vegas festival performances and producing pop hits such as hits with katy perry and farrell williams channing tatum spotted dancing in north carolina. wow. he posted the video on his facebook page saying nothing better than a dance party. tatum also thanked his dance partner beatrice. magic mike star stopped in for some gas on his way to ashville. >> that is so much fun. look at beatrice getting it. get it, get it, yeah. oh, that's fun. >>> all right, we are just one day away from our next zip trip. tomorrow morning we will be in culpeper, virginia. tucker is going to get things started for us around 6:00 a.m. kevin and i are going to join him a little later. fox5 morning crew will be there until 11 o'clock so please come out. we would love to see you, culpeper virginia. come out and represent. the zip trip is for you. 6:00 to 11:00 friday. >> time right now to say good morning to our facebook fan of the day. hello to amir abdullah. today is his seventh -- i was going to say 74. that would have been bad. forty-seventh birthday. happy birthday to you. >> dapper amir was nominated by h

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