william riley i spoke to at length.was -- let's put it this way, there's a much stronger possibility than there has been ever since. i think that is important story that needs to be told. and you go yet by 1989, these corporations coming together forming the coalition. >> in 1988, hits and testifies. head, and thethe number two of the whole company, bill o'keefe, and they told a -- they don't equivocate about what happened in the 1990's and there are proud of it. but they said after hansen's hearing, people started to perk up him and started to be concern. there were 32 bills filed in congress about, policy. they started to hold meetings, inormational meetings at api similar work was being done at exxon to try to formulate a strategy. that was the beginning of a hard turn. it progressed. originally it was, let's make sure to highlight uncertainty. let's make sure to be a participant in any conversation about regulation. and let's make sure not to endorse any policy that hurts the bottom line. you see the formation of it