and in london, william schabas, professor of international law at middlesex university.me to the program. raji, let me start with you today. the palestinian president has welcomed the human rights watch report, saying in a statement it is urgent for the international community to intervene. do palestinians feel that this will lead to any kind of change? >> yes, indeed. i want to say, since 20 years, since having the conference in durban, south africa, more than 1,200 international organizations across the globe said israel is a new brand of apartheid. so this is not something really new for us. as international human rights organizations. but three months ago, one of the leading human rights organizations in israel stated in a report in a clear cut way that israel is a new brand of apartheid, and it is an apartheid system. and now, human rights watch is one of the leading international human rights organizations confirming as well that we are having, and the occupied -- in the occupied territories, in israel, a state of apartheid. it is the most flagrant situation. apart