i had an opportunity to meet william styron he and i debated that quite a bit, but he the book as a form of fiction but i told him how would he how people who are the descendants of abraham lincoln feel about if he wrote that abraham lincoln was a pirate who, went around raping women up and down the southern seaboard rather than the president of the united states. and what was his answer? well, he said probably they wouldn't like it, but the fiction is he has of as an artist. he has a right write. mm. very good. we have one more question as well. okay mr., thank you so much for being here, sharing this powerful history with us. i wonder about how you. define the death of nat turner. did he give up his life for freedom. did he lose his life for freedom was he lynched? what terminology do you use in describing how his life ended? i'd like to say that nat was a casualty in the fight for freedom. he was neither. like i say, he didn't give up his life. he hoping that sure, he had every anticipation that would live and that in order to get the people to follow him was that they could be in ter