we held our breath at that williamsburg conference, and we had a meeting in new orleans. we had a meeting in cleveland. one of my good friends, reverend jackson, called us the democrats of the leisure class. some of the set we were republican light because we talked about trade, national security, and welfare reform and holding families together. they forgot we also talked about strategies to reduce poverty, collect child support, promote education, and that we were very explicit early on in saying we would not stand for discrimination against anybody who played the politics or anything else. we were always in the right place on that. but we thought we needed to break out of the orthodoxy of the past. then, after i got elected, some of our critics said, we must not believe in anything since we wanted politics that went beyond the partisan divides of the 1980's. by 2008, the same people thought that was a good thing to be. and i understood it. it was so easy to cover politics until we came along. it was like the gunfight at the o.k. corral. playing checkers, there are two

own indignation about the tyranny and exercise by george free used to go to a local library in williamsburgld read deeply in the debate of the english civil war of the 1640 is that in the up cutting off the head of the king and he imagined him looking at the debates and the discourse is and the string parliamentary debate and think that could happen in the land of tepid tea and early, anything could happen in the american library. [laughter] so, the free library of philadelphia, fantastic ghosts of franklin. and i did want to come to philadelphia partly because one of the programs was called american fervor which is about religion, and it was particularly about a black african american religion. and we had to make a choice between here in the spirit of operation between savannah and philadelphia, and somehow, you know, savannah had won over the cheese steak. don't ask me why i know, lousy taste, i know, exactly right. so this project both book and television, i would be happy to answer questions after about how the writing is different for both forms of kraft which i believe they are, but b

how we held our breath at a williamsburg conference, then the meeting in new orleans, then the meeting in cleveland. and one of my good friends, reverend jackson, called us the democrats for the leisure class. some of our liberal friends said we were republican like because we talked about trade and national security and welfare reform. and holding families together. they forgot we also talked about strategies to reduce poverty, collect child support, promote educati education, and that we were very explicit early on in saying we would not practice discrimination against anybody or play the politics of race, gender or sexual orientation or immigration versus natural born or anything else. we were always in the right place on that. but we thought we needed to break out of the or owe docks si of -- orthodoxy of the past. then after i was elected some critics said we must not be anything because we wanted politics that went beyond the partisan dichdz vides of the 19. but 2008 some thought that was a good thing to do. and i understood it. it was so easy to cover politics until we came alon

host: williamsburg, virginia. good morning to bill on the republicans line. caller: good morning. i have a couple of questions and you probably in a position to better answer them than anyone on c-span. has the obama administration discontinued the warrantless wiretapping program? guest: um -- you know, i hesitate to answer that question because i don't know what i don't know. formerly the bush administration's terrorist surveillance program was terminated in 2007, i believe, and brought under the authority of the foreign intelligence surveillance court. what the court is doing is issuing very broad kinds of authorization which are not individual warrants. one could say that warrantless surveillance is continuing, in essenca sense, but president b's program has been terminated. caller: i appreciate that because it did clarify things for me. with it being this ambivalent why do think it is not front- page news on the major papers and msnbc when they made such a big deal out of it for a year and it is probably still on going? why is it no longer news? thank you. guest: it is a very