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. >> my name is katie basie and i'm in my second year of teaching at willie brown in the bay view zone. i'm going off my colleague, jonathan, and remind you that in december this year our principal russ was removed from willie brown. giving the district the benefit of the doubt and assuming there's a reason for it, i'm wondering why he was replaced with a woman with no administrative experience, which her last experience was in a school that is opposite of ours. i asked her to respond to the aforementioned email, what is karen francois doing here, what purpose does she have, what is her vision for me and my students. i was pleading for a reason for direction, for it not to be the case that the willie brown community has experienced a drastic and dramatic transition unnecessarily. eileen murphy had nothing to say but, well, have you asked her what her vision is? so i must plead with you for a reason for the current bay view zone administration and direction going forward. >> the next set of speakers are from bay view high school. alice body. i'll ask the same. i'll give you one minute.
. >> my name is katie basie and i'm in my second year of teaching at willie brown in the bay view zone. i'm going off my colleague, jonathan, and remind you that in december this year our principal russ was removed from willie brown. giving the district the benefit of the doubt and assuming there's a reason for it, i'm wondering why he was replaced with a woman with no administrative experience, which her last experience was in a school that is opposite of ours. i asked her to respond to...
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i wanted to spend a few moments in joining mayor willie brown and mayor frank jordan with our chief of our city attorney, dennis herrera, so many friends here, and members of our board of supervisors, to just register my appreciation for the san francisco general hospital foundation and the great work you are doing in joining our hospitals mission. for all of you who are here today to make that effort real with your donations and support, thank you very much from the bottom of my heart, that you believe that the san francisco general hospital is truly in need the heart of the city and county of san francisco. thank you very much for being here today. [applause] i mean that in so many ways. the hospital is available to everybody. every community of this great city. it has a trauma center. how many other centers -- cities have its own trauma center? a trauma center that is world famous, that gets the job done and saves lives. it is the only hospital in san francisco with 24-hour psychia [applause] something that i will possibly in roll in after this year. [laughter] over 100,000 patients
i wanted to spend a few moments in joining mayor willie brown and mayor frank jordan with our chief of our city attorney, dennis herrera, so many friends here, and members of our board of supervisors, to just register my appreciation for the san francisco general hospital foundation and the great work you are doing in joining our hospitals mission. for all of you who are here today to make that effort real with your donations and support, thank you very much from the bottom of my heart, that...
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i was pleading for a reason for direction, for it not to be the case that the willie brown community has experienced a drastic and dramatic transition unnecessarily. eileen murphy had nothing to say but, well, have you asked her what her vision is? so i must plead with you for a reason for the current bay view zone administration and direction going forward. >> the next set of speakers are from bay view high school. alice body. i'll ask the same. i'll give you one minute. >> my name is jay cozak. good evening. i want to say that we have many parents and staff that had to leave we had at least 50 people here. i want to say what i'm about to say you don't know. when we do our budgets, our b budget is $800,000 in the red which means if we put all our money, nothing for supplies, we are consolidating teachers from our school. that's just personnel. what does that mean for washington? we'll be a desirable school to undesirable school already people are calling up and finding out we may not be able to give them the classes you are shorting us 200 students. we are a desirable school. then w
i was pleading for a reason for direction, for it not to be the case that the willie brown community has experienced a drastic and dramatic transition unnecessarily. eileen murphy had nothing to say but, well, have you asked her what her vision is? so i must plead with you for a reason for the current bay view zone administration and direction going forward. >> the next set of speakers are from bay view high school. alice body. i'll ask the same. i'll give you one minute. >> my name...
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of course, the mayor then was willie brown, and he said, what are you going to do with this? and of course the first thing you do if you read it, and you read it with the understanding that there is probably a lot of information there that will be very hard and goals and programs that will be very hard to implement at the department of public works, which had historically been a very male- dominated agency. but we made a commitment to the mayor, we made a commitment to the commission that we would study that report and to implement every single one of those as that applied at every level of the department. i was willing to do that because around in may were a lot of other powerful women, who said it would not be that hard. all you had to do is pay attention to it, and all you had to do was not take no for an answer and all you had to do was look forward, not backward. and with those varied little pieces of advice, which took on that task and we found at the local managers. we found that many women who were trying to even get to the blue-collar work, the work on the streets, h
of course, the mayor then was willie brown, and he said, what are you going to do with this? and of course the first thing you do if you read it, and you read it with the understanding that there is probably a lot of information there that will be very hard and goals and programs that will be very hard to implement at the department of public works, which had historically been a very male- dominated agency. but we made a commitment to the mayor, we made a commitment to the commission that we...
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i sat down with former mayor and state assembly speaker, willie brown on that side of the table and he said he has given away the store to the unions, is this fundamentally unsound here is what he said. >> it is a good idea you should always allow and support persons who are working for you, getting together, to reduce the necessity of your individually talking discipline, and moving each one of them. >> okay let's take a look at that. you are no stranger to this. in private business you have the unions on one side and the business on the other. and it is a fight over rights and pay. but collective bargaining when it is government workers you have unions on one side and politicians on the other ultimately making the decision. the difference is unions often fund those politicians campaigns. >> which means person sitting on the other side of the table, willie browns of the world have to be held to a higher stan dan on their performance -- standard on their performance side. it is not the fault of the unions and their organization they are not able to form a relationship with people barga
i sat down with former mayor and state assembly speaker, willie brown on that side of the table and he said he has given away the store to the unions, is this fundamentally unsound here is what he said. >> it is a good idea you should always allow and support persons who are working for you, getting together, to reduce the necessity of your individually talking discipline, and moving each one of them. >> okay let's take a look at that. you are no stranger to this. in private...
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i sat down with former state assembly leader willie brown who has been talking with the governor and actually with republicans as well, saying ok. what are the odds of them reaching a deal? >> republicans who would go with jerry brown going to find themselves without a job. and that threat alone will keep them from even voting to put the measure -- extending taxes before voters. >> no question whatsoever, in addition, phil, every day they are pushing themselves further away, because what they are saying is you got to give me some concessions, and those concessions have got to be something other than what's personal for me. >> what they want is, or they're talking about, is a spending cap, changes in environmental regulations to streamline more building and development. and they also don't want an end to redevelopment. that's negotiable because even democrats are for that. the big thing seems to be spending cap and pension reform. now, here, let's be honest here. it's not just the republicans. jerry brown can't agree to these things. >> no. >> because of his political. >> under no circ
i sat down with former state assembly leader willie brown who has been talking with the governor and actually with republicans as well, saying ok. what are the odds of them reaching a deal? >> republicans who would go with jerry brown going to find themselves without a job. and that threat alone will keep them from even voting to put the measure -- extending taxes before voters. >> no question whatsoever, in addition, phil, every day they are pushing themselves further away, because...
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you have had a long history of working with the city since the willie brown days. you have been part of public health, a focus on universal health care. you have been working with them for those years, working with the foundation. your also pointed on the health commission since 2008. we need you and your expertise to try to close the gap. i want to thank you for stepping up and being part of this administration. this is your first reappointment to the commission. we need the services of lawyers. you have been a very good lawyer at the time. you are a member of the firm. you have expensive -- extensive experience. if i have to use that service, you know i am in trouble. we talked about my desire to make sure the families are well represented. you contributed to that dialogue and dii want to thank all of you for coming out today for joining us as well. and with that, let us proceed to the official of that i have not yet memorized. if you would all stand and raise your right hand with me, if he would repeat your name, at the end, we will go through and announced the
you have had a long history of working with the city since the willie brown days. you have been part of public health, a focus on universal health care. you have been working with them for those years, working with the foundation. your also pointed on the health commission since 2008. we need you and your expertise to try to close the gap. i want to thank you for stepping up and being part of this administration. this is your first reappointment to the commission. we need the services of...
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. ♪ blacks are leaving this town, and i want to know, where is willie brown? talk to jerry brown need to know what is going on me to know who is in control right here in san francisco -- need to know ♪ most of the time, you all do not hear me. i have 17 seconds. why do we not have a hearing on why african-americans are leaving this down? african americans leading san francisco. i want to note who is in control -- african americans leave st. -- leaving san francisco. -- i want to know. president chiu: anymore public comment? seeing none, public comment is closed. clerk calvillo: these items will begin acted upon by a single roll call vote. president chiu: colleagues, would anyone like to sever any of the items? if we could take a roll-call vote on items 31 through 34? clerk calvillo: [reading roll] there are 8 ayes. president chiu: those are approved, and the motion is adopted. [coll -- gavel] what i would like to propose is that we come back at 3:15, so we can take our 3:00 special order and hope for the role into our 3:30 special orders, so unless there is an
. ♪ blacks are leaving this town, and i want to know, where is willie brown? talk to jerry brown need to know what is going on me to know who is in control right here in san francisco -- need to know ♪ most of the time, you all do not hear me. i have 17 seconds. why do we not have a hearing on why african-americans are leaving this down? african americans leading san francisco. i want to note who is in control -- african americans leave st. -- leaving san francisco. -- i want to know....
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this year's man of the year award goes to willie brown, jr. [applause] come on up. mr. mayor, thank you very much. i'm just delighted that you are in a position to be able to present this to me. i'm going to work and see if i can win it next year and i'm going to ask you to stick around. [laughter] [applause] and present it to me next year in your capacity as mayor of san francisco. [applause] mayor lee, you have got to know that the women of san francisco that you giave an opportunity to in your capacity as the chief administrative officer of the city -- even to the state, the person you designated to replace you, a woman. you elevated women to positions of importance inside of the mayor's office. i saw naomi little out there. one of your deputies -- i do not think they called them deputies anymore. every man has his impression on what happened in this city. i am delighted. i'm going to tell you. many of you on the women's summit when we did those -- when i look around and i see jackie and i think about susan and all the other women who headed the mayor's summit -- i h
this year's man of the year award goes to willie brown, jr. [applause] come on up. mr. mayor, thank you very much. i'm just delighted that you are in a position to be able to present this to me. i'm going to work and see if i can win it next year and i'm going to ask you to stick around. [laughter] [applause] and present it to me next year in your capacity as mayor of san francisco. [applause] mayor lee, you have got to know that the women of san francisco that you giave an opportunity to in...
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. ♪ blacks are leaving this town, and i want to know, where is willie brown? talk to jerry brown need to know what is going on me to know who is in control right here in san francisco -- need to know ♪ most of the time, you all do not hear me. i have 17 seconds. why do we not have a hearing on why african-americans are leaving this down? african americans leading san francisco. i want to note who is in control -- african americans leave st. -- leaving san francisco. -- i want to know. president chiu: anymore public comment? seeing none,
. ♪ blacks are leaving this town, and i want to know, where is willie brown? talk to jerry brown need to know what is going on me to know who is in control right here in san francisco -- need to know ♪ most of the time, you all do not hear me. i have 17 seconds. why do we not have a hearing on why african-americans are leaving this down? african americans leading san francisco. i want to note who is in control -- african americans leave st. -- leaving san francisco. -- i want to know....
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. ♪ blacks are leaving this town where is governor willie brown i'm going to have to talk to governor brown ♪ we are going to have to have you come to the community center next wednesday. after that, we are going to have a black debate and talk about a lot of things that impact the african-american community. it seems as if this whole city is in a chance for a coma. in particular, my black leaders. with all of this information even from the u.s., today's news, saying how blacks are leaving these towns, but it all started in sentences go back in 1948. with jesse herman in a smoke- filled room came up with the urban renewal. that is how they do it all over the united states. it is very significant. anyone that thinks it is not significant -- they are insignificant. right now, i cannot understand. ♪ blacks are leaving town nobody around here seems like they care. but that is okay. ace is on the case -- [bell rings] supervisor chiu: thank you. next singer please. >> thank you. this might take a couple of weeks. i have a lot of graphics. ♪ what a city might bridges all were crossed with a
. ♪ blacks are leaving this town where is governor willie brown i'm going to have to talk to governor brown ♪ we are going to have to have you come to the community center next wednesday. after that, we are going to have a black debate and talk about a lot of things that impact the african-american community. it seems as if this whole city is in a chance for a coma. in particular, my black leaders. with all of this information even from the u.s., today's news, saying how blacks are leaving...
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good stuff. >> we'll have him back on sunday with us. >> thank you, phil matier and willie brown.d stuff, thanks, guys. >>> our time now 6:54. radioactive fallout from japan has just reached california. but how much of a threat is it? that's coming up. >> how some are stocking up on potassium iodide. >>> if you have a comment, email brian@cbs5.com. fire shirt friday a shoutout to the san francisco fire department. switching to progressive could mean hundreds more in your wallet year after year. feed me! saving you money -- now, that's progressive. call or click today. hundred people are dead from last week's earthquake and tsunami. japan is pouring more water on its overheating nuclear power plant today. power could be resto >>> new word from japan. more than 6900 people are dead from last week's earthquake and tsunami. they are pouring more water on the nuclear power plant today. power could be restored to pumps to help with the effort. >>> radioactive fallout from japan has reached southern california. but a short time ago, a diplomat with access to u.n. data says it is a billio
good stuff. >> we'll have him back on sunday with us. >> thank you, phil matier and willie brown.d stuff, thanks, guys. >>> our time now 6:54. radioactive fallout from japan has just reached california. but how much of a threat is it? that's coming up. >> how some are stocking up on potassium iodide. >>> if you have a comment, email brian@cbs5.com. fire shirt friday a shoutout to the san francisco fire department. switching to progressive could mean hundreds...
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mayor willie brown said no and the idea was dropped. after september 11, san francisco joined the joint terrorism task force under a memorandum of understanding with the fbi that was publicly released. it says that san francisco rules shelby followed by san francisco officers. san francisco will help to supervise its own officers. the police department promised the police commission that those were still the rules being followed. the special agent in charge of the fbi told us in 2005 that was still the case and we had nothing to worry about. here we are now. suddenly they will not answer the question. the san francisco police department has refused to release their current memorandum of understanding dole answered definitively if they are an following local or fbi rules. the assessments being collected by the fbi, the reason it came out was because the judicial committee asked for the information from the fbi. when this resolution asks for more transparency, this is a starting point. this committee can endorse the good work of the human
mayor willie brown said no and the idea was dropped. after september 11, san francisco joined the joint terrorism task force under a memorandum of understanding with the fbi that was publicly released. it says that san francisco rules shelby followed by san francisco officers. san francisco will help to supervise its own officers. the police department promised the police commission that those were still the rules being followed. the special agent in charge of the fbi told us in 2005 that was...
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that's why i asked willie brown, okay, what's it like and what's behind the president getting slammed by his own party members. here's what he said. >> the democrats are confused, just as the president confused. it took him two or three weeks in order to make up his mind to intervene. he said he had to get the arab league. but in reality, no discussion, nothing. >> how long do you see this division lasting? because 24 is a very sensitive point especially in the bay area, we did a poll and found a split right here, no clear indication about which way america should be involved or not. >> if gadhafi plays this right that split could continue for a very long time. because if gadhafi backs up and stops killing his people and literally tries to worm his way out of this,s that can no longer be the hated object. >> the republicans were split as well. >> well, as a matter of fact, all the republicans said he should have gotten in early. what those that said anything, when it was clear he wasn't going to do it, they thought he was just being as hesitant and as careful as obama is. then when he
that's why i asked willie brown, okay, what's it like and what's behind the president getting slammed by his own party members. here's what he said. >> the democrats are confused, just as the president confused. it took him two or three weeks in order to make up his mind to intervene. he said he had to get the arab league. but in reality, no discussion, nothing. >> how long do you see this division lasting? because 24 is a very sensitive point especially in the bay area, we did a...
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cbs 5 political insider phil matier and former san francisco mayor and assembly speaker willie brown.> yeah. and they will continue to chat over there i'm sure. >>> time now is 6::53. we are going to be updating that breaking news a school shooting in indiana. how it may have been tied to a fight after a school dance. >>> plus, streets turn into rushing rivers. a wall of mud and water caught on tape in santa cruz county. the massive clean-up facing residents there today. a student.. a teenaged boy.. has been shot at a mid >>> and welcome back. we're following some breaking news out of indiana where a student, april teenaged boy, has been shot at a middle school there. this is martinsville about 30 miles west of indianapolis. police say the victim was shot twice in the stomach. we don't know his condition at this hour. police say another student who was recently suspended is now in custody. local tv station reports police believe the shooting stems from some sort of fight after a school dance. >>> 6:56. a big, big clean-up job ahead in the town on the shores of monterey bay. let's go t
cbs 5 political insider phil matier and former san francisco mayor and assembly speaker willie brown.> yeah. and they will continue to chat over there i'm sure. >>> time now is 6::53. we are going to be updating that breaking news a school shooting in indiana. how it may have been tied to a fight after a school dance. >>> plus, streets turn into rushing rivers. a wall of mud and water caught on tape in santa cruz county. the massive clean-up facing residents there today. a...
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governor jerry brown may have to wait a little longer than expect ed willie brown says the governor hasn uphill battle when it comes to passing the extensions to help close the $26 billion budget gap. he says public employee unions will have to step up and help. we're also hearing from our own political analyst larry gerston who tells us the senate gop may push the vote back for the ballot measure until after the republican state convention in two weeks. >> what some republicans would like to do is delay that vote two weeks. get past the state convention so that they can tamp down some of the pressure and animus, then go forward with the vote and perhaps peel off a number of them, enough of them to get this proposal on. >> if as larry mentioned republicans get their way and delay the vote for a few weeks, it would push back the tax extensions measure to a june 21st ballot. >>> and take a look at this. one san francisco street was particularly wet early this morning, and it was not due to the rain, obviously. just before 1:00 this morning, a car crashed into a fire hydrant, sending up th
governor jerry brown may have to wait a little longer than expect ed willie brown says the governor hasn uphill battle when it comes to passing the extensions to help close the $26 billion budget gap. he says public employee unions will have to step up and help. we're also hearing from our own political analyst larry gerston who tells us the senate gop may push the vote back for the ballot measure until after the republican state convention in two weeks. >> what some republicans would...
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in today's "chronicle," willie brown says the governor has an uphill battle when it comes to passing the extensions to help close the $26 billion budget gap. he says public employee unions will have to step up and help. we're also hearing from our own political analyst larry gur 10 who tells us the senate gop may push back the vote on the ballot measure until after the republican state convention in two weeks. >> what some republicans would like to do is delay that vote two weeks, get past the state convention, so that they can tamp down some of the pressure and the animus. then go forward with the vote and perhaps peel off a number of them, enough of them, to get this proposal on. >> if as larry mentioned republicans get their way and delay the vote a few weeks it would push back the tax extensions measure from the june 7th ballot to a june 21st ballot. >>> as the battle goes on over government workers and salaries and benefits, there's now a wealth of information here in california on just how much those workers really make. at the top of california's list for several years running
in today's "chronicle," willie brown says the governor has an uphill battle when it comes to passing the extensions to help close the $26 billion budget gap. he says public employee unions will have to step up and help. we're also hearing from our own political analyst larry gur 10 who tells us the senate gop may push back the vote on the ballot measure until after the republican state convention in two weeks. >> what some republicans would like to do is delay that vote two...
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people like willie brown and davis and keller and yourself. high profile people. >> great company. >> here is the question, at your table of however many there are, maybe eightish. >> eight or ten. >> how do you decide what you going to do? >> i think it's a great format. three people that are honored that night. ted tawb, mary cranston and janet lampkin. great citizens. it's about them. but i think it's kind of a bold format instead of a key note speaker. they asked and delighted to be asked to lead a discussion. so i always start off my topic, usually for a younger group but i said do you have burning questions for the fire chief. i will let them roll. and in the business of reacting to things and responsing to things. i'm not going to have a lot on my agenda. the agenda will be theirs and ask whatever questions they like. >> how long do you want to do this job? >> i still have the same amount of energy. i'm 47, just turned 47. i like to do it as long as the new mayor or the next mayor will have me. mayor newsome gave me a huge opportunity.
people like willie brown and davis and keller and yourself. high profile people. >> great company. >> here is the question, at your table of however many there are, maybe eightish. >> eight or ten. >> how do you decide what you going to do? >> i think it's a great format. three people that are honored that night. ted tawb, mary cranston and janet lampkin. great citizens. it's about them. but i think it's kind of a bold format instead of a key note speaker. they...
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before that, our mayor, willie brown, decided we were going to put this museum as part of the sites oursaint regis hotel and convention center. the mayor could make them give us the face, but he couldn't make them pay for it. so i somehow got chosen to be the person as i was winding down my career to raise almost $6 million of the museum in two years. i did because it represented all that i respect, the oneness of the human race. the earliest relics of human life come from the african continent and the theories by the leading scientists have both berkeley and stanford are indeed this is the true story and this museum is dedicated to telling that story. and so, while i was doing that, to raise the money of horse i thought it the fat cats from google and so on would be my first one that i would get to and they would write the check. not one of them did. in fact, one man of color who bought the top floor of the saint regis hotel, $30 million was one who i thought would be a guy who after all we are in the basement of the building he is in. he eventually did give some money, but during thos
before that, our mayor, willie brown, decided we were going to put this museum as part of the sites oursaint regis hotel and convention center. the mayor could make them give us the face, but he couldn't make them pay for it. so i somehow got chosen to be the person as i was winding down my career to raise almost $6 million of the museum in two years. i did because it represented all that i respect, the oneness of the human race. the earliest relics of human life come from the african continent...
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for that our mayor, willie brown, decided that we were going to put this black museum as part of thefive-star st. regis hotel in the convention center of san francisco. well, as mayor, he could make them give us the space, but he couldn't make them pay for it. so i somehow got chosen to be the person as i was winding down my career to raise almost $6 million for this museum in two years. i did because it represented all that i respect. the oneness of the human race, the fact that the earliest relics of human life come from the african continent, and the theory by the leading scientists at both berkeley and stanford are that, indeed, this is a true story, and this museum is dedicated to telling that story. and so while i was doing that, to raise the money, of course, i thought these fat cats from google and so on would be my first ones that i would get to to, you know, and they'd write the check. not one of them did. in fact, one man of color who bought the top floor at the st. regis hotel for $30 million, was one who i thought would be, you know, a guy that, after all, we're in the b
for that our mayor, willie brown, decided that we were going to put this black museum as part of thefive-star st. regis hotel in the convention center of san francisco. well, as mayor, he could make them give us the space, but he couldn't make them pay for it. so i somehow got chosen to be the person as i was winding down my career to raise almost $6 million for this museum in two years. i did because it represented all that i respect. the oneness of the human race, the fact that the earliest...