ad when he didn't come it wasn't about willie horton. that turnstile was notorious, highly objectional. i'm just saying, just move in with you because i want people to understand that getting the details right is extremely afford. >> here's one going with the point. you were care and willie hortonized. my point is you don't have any background. ailes was cleared on the other side and then migrated into news. which to me comes at this from a different background than from someone who's just been in journalism the whole time. and so i wouldn't even begin to compare the two of you is what i'm tried to say. >> that is a nice, i hope not too backhanded comment. >> i made it as an extreme compliment. there's no comparison, for him to attack your integrity is frankly a little rich. >> thank you. >> for what that's worth. let's go from the republican party to part of the republican party, need a social movement, whatever they want to call themselves. here's a question. to what extent do you think tea party back candidates made had a reverse coat

one was willie horton who murdered a boy in a robbery, stabbing him 19 times. despite a life sentence horton received ten weekend passes from prison. horton fled, kidnapped a young couple, stabbed the man and repeatedly raping the girlfriend. weekend prison passes, dukakis on crime. >> now, joe, i mean, from the bush sr. white house, not from -- >> i was in that campaign, too, although hi nothing to do with that commercial. i was in that campaign. >> talk about what that tapped into back then and the veins if that still exists today? >> i think some still exists today. when it comes to violent crime where people do really heinous things -- mean, that's still -- no matter what color you are, what group from which you come, you are upset when you see people do terrible things to other folks. anybody that murders folks, rapes folks s not well thought of in society and ought to be put away. everybody would agree on that. but we do have a chance to do something together that is republicans and democrats with regards to changing this sentencing, this stiff sentencing

like with the notorious willie horton ads against michael dukakis. >> his revolving door systems gave furloughs to prisoners not eligible for parole. >> one was willie horton, who murdered a boy in a robbery, stabbing him 19 time. >> this led directly to discriminatory programs like stop and frisk and stand your ground and three strikes you're out. but the tide is turning, and now americans want real justice. joining me now is congressman from new york gregory weeks, a democrat representing the borough of queens. thank you both for joining me. >> thank you. >> good to be here. >> congressman, america spent a trillion dollars, a trillion on this war on drugs since 1971. we spent $33,000 a year on high security inmates. but only $10,000 on students. aren't these priorities that americans are rejecting now that they are not seeing a return for spending three times more for locking up people and lifting up children? >> absolutely. they're seeing that it's bringing down america. likewise, you see that america is not able to compete with other countries because our talent, we're locking the

willie horton, 1988 essentially no one, no democrat is going to be confused as pro-prisoner, again, right? and bill clinton in 1996 signed the antiterrorism which wildly restricts habeas corpus. it's a time where it's only to your advantage to be anticrime, to be anti-prisoner. so up to and including al gore when he runs into thousands has i'm pro-death penalty. why? because i think it's a deterrent. the data might suggest otherwise. so ridge runs and he wins, and he wants to do three strikes you're out law and he wants to tighten parole procedures. and when they come in, they decide they need to send a message to graterford. and graterford, is by the standards what we assume prison looks like, graterford was one of the younger prisoners have referred to what it was before the raid meaning it's what you see on tv. but it's not what you have in day-to-day today in the controlled prison. and so they came in and they destroyed everybody's stuff, and they shipped out, they fired staff on the spot the they shipped out their worst of the worst across the state. i across the country in some case

willie horton in 1988 essentially no democrat is going to be confused as a pro prisoner again and billclinton in 19 -- 1996 signs be answered death penalty. it's only to your advantage to the anticrime and the anti-prisoner. up to and including al gore who wins in 2000 this is i'm pro-death penalty and why? because i think it's a deterrent in the data may suggest otherwise. so ridge one -- with runs in the wins. he wants the three strikes you're out law and to tighten parole procedures and when they come in they decide they need to send a message to graterford and by the standards we assume prison looks like graterford was wild and young people referred to tva should, what you see on odds but it's not what you have day-to-day and the controlled prison. so they came in and they destroyed everybody stuff and fired staff on the spot. they shipped out there worst of the worst across the state, across the country in some cases and there was just a new regime so graterford is much looser and a morgue criminal both place another institutions but a lot changed. after that the mosques were clos

so, willie horton, 98, is essentially no democrat is going to be confused as pro prison or again. and bill clinton in 1996 finds the anti-terrorism effective death penalty act but wisely restrict habeas corpus. it is a time when it is only the pure advantage to the anti-crime, to be antiprisoner. so up to and including al gore when he ran in 2000 says i'm pro-death penalty. why? because i think it is a deterrent. the data might suggest otherwise. so ridge runs and he wins. he wants to do the three strikes and you're out law and he wants to tighten parole procedures. when they come and they decide they need to send a message to gratherford and by the standards of what we would assume present looks like and he was wild. in fact younker prisoners referred to the raid as tv meaning it would prison looks like and it's what you see. but it's not what you have in the day-to-day control in the kind of controlled prison. and so they came in and they destroyed of peabody's stuff and they shipped out and fired staff on the spot. they shipped out the worst of the worst across the state, acros

he wasn't a bad man, and it's interesting, after i won the pulitzer for the willie horton story on the newspaper, we want the pulitzer, he knew about that. my name he used to write in and he says i wonder if my journalist granddaughter will come find me? and i did, only many years later after he died. so i feel like i have gotten to know my grandfather, and there were good things about him. he never deserted his second family. he was a hard worker during the war. he worked in brooklyn helping repair the victory ships, so he was a hard worker many times, and he loved his children. he kept the picture of my father and my uncle when they were young in his wallet. he had paintings of him in his closet. and when a second family would say to are those boys, he could never talk about. they were the secret boys that later in life they learned about. i think you always regretted what he did. >> why did he leave? >> well, he met another woman and got her pregnant, and so in the middle of the night in brooklyn, he packed up this baby. he snuck out of his house and left my father who was at the ti

they even had a so-called poster child, willie horton, back in a 1980s. -- in the 1980s.his was during a time when historic drug crime was at an all-time low. host: we will hear from another democrat, tim and mt. hope, arkansas. caller: good morning. finally we are seeing common sense in washington. this is a very important day. host: why do you say that? caller: we are starting to see -- we are starting to think straight. we are not thinking straight when we lock people up for smoking marijuana, especially when it is proven medicine. i've got glaucoma. i suffer from severe neck and back pain. if i was in any other state but state thatny other allows medical marijuana, i would be a patient driven in arkansas, i am a criminal. i've been arrested a few times for marijuana. it is always the same thing. they want your money. they want to lock you up. they want to harass you. they want to search her home. they want to take your cars. it is kind of like a mafia state down here in arkansas as far as keeping medical marijuana users from their medicine. host: have you had to do pr

remember willie horton, michael dukakis. he was soft on crime. the george h.w.gn used that effectively. in 1982 i was with bill clinton. i was the pool reporter. the governor had no signature authority outside the state. he had to fly back to arkansas, we landed in west memphis so he could sign a death penalty case because he was trying to prove i'm a different kind of democrat, i'm tough on crime. i support the death penalty. this issue has been over the democrats but he and his team think they have the political room to do this and they'll move forward with it. >> it could be a legacy issue. man, what strange bed fellows these issues make. >> something that could get done in washington that's pretty paralyzed. >> good to point out when we can because it is rare. >> that is true, it is rare. strong point. >>> coming up on "new day," time for a little break. concerns about a key ingredient found in nail polish remover. why you may need your id to buy some at one major drugstore chain and others will follow. good reason. >>> a million dollar mixup. we'll let you