or it willie horton was not the only figure discussed in that spot, but it was based on the willieof people confuse the two. they think the first spot was a bush ad. it really wasn't, but there was some either spoken or unspoken coordination because they were so closely aligned. i think it's fair to say, worth pointing out that willie horton or at least not willie horton specifically, it was raised earlier in the primaries by out gore who was running for the democratic nomination against michael dukakis. he raised the furlough issue first and inspect it up. dukakis use the revolving door imagery in the --ponse, didn't they? guest: didn't they? guest: that is something i have seen curious. a lot of political and gators to tell the candidate, do not but i do notarge, know that it would be incompetent, but it was a poorly .un campaign in so many ways the dukakis campaign waited too long to respond. and aike one spot showing few minutes later, you see another spot on television, it was several weeks before dukakis figured out how to respond and that was the story of the .ukakis campaig

they did talk about willie horton a lot. they said at one point, i'm going to make willie horton be my running mate. it is not like he didn't have anything to do with it at ad itself was not baker's creation. he asked for them to take it down. we asked him about that and that was the one moment he said that the willie horton ad was probably something that was over the top and went too far but then takes a back and says, look, we had to win. we had to do what we had to do to win. they were 17 points down and came back to win the most extraordinary upset and presidential history to that date. host: let's go to sam, democrats line, maryland. caller: i address this question to susan glasser, who i read in the new yorker every week, knock strong, and rightly so. he is the worst president in american history. he is the biggest liar in american history. he is the most incompetent present to didn't -- incompetent president and you say that week after week after week and baker voted for him in 2016 and says he is going to vote him --

. >> willie horton murdered a boy . >> she points to a willie horton commercial as another representation of that strategy. >> white voters feel that blacks are going to take their property, their lives, and their means of production. >> in the wake of the ad controversy, and dozens of members are leaving the svo concerned it links them with racism. >> we can and do take a strong stance against racist actions and speak out when we see them. >> a councilwoman from the sixth district from whom the attack ad was posted for her reelection drive sent a statement saying i am ashamed with the pastor report i have received from the svo. the money donated by the svo to my campaign has been donated to a local nonprofit dedicated to fighting racism. a timeline for the completion of the internal investigation at the svo has not been given. this is not the end of it has several councilmembers have scheduled a meeting or a press conference at city hall tomorrow to speak out and call for reforms within the svo. we will head back to you. >> jesse, if you can just clarify, is there anything that shows tha

one was willie horton, who murdered a boy, stabbing him 18 times. spidey life sentence, horton from prison.asses he stabbed a man and repeatedly raped his girlfriend. >> george bush talks a lot about prison furloughs. the massachusetts program was started by republican and stopped by mike dukakis. and bush won't talk about the thousands of drug kingpins furloughed. bush won't talk about this drug pusher, one of his furloughed heroin dealers, who raped and murdered patsy hedren. -- that story is a george bush has taken a furlough from the truth. >> if you like politics, you can find plenty of archival ads and campaign speeches on our website, c-span.org. >> this fall, american history tv is airing archival coverage of residential campaigns. between billate clinton and bob dole from the 1996 presidential campaign. candidates discussed national security, government spending, medicare reform, and there political philosophies. president clinton defeated dole with 49% of the popular vote to mr. dole's fully 1%. ross perot finished third with 8.4%. this de

they did talk about willie horton a lot.id at one point, i'm going to make willie horton be my running mate. it is not like he didn't have anything to do with it at ad itself was not baker's creation. he asked for them to take it down. we asked him about that and that was the one moment he said that the willie horton ad was probably something that was over the top and went too far but then takes a back and says, look, we had to win. we had to do what we had to do to win. they were 17 points down and came back to win the most extraordinary upset and presidential history to that date. host: let's go to sam, democrats line, maryland. caller: i address this question to susan glasser, who i read in the new yorker every week, knock strong, and rightly so. he is the worst president in american history. he is the biggest liar in american history. he is the most incompetent present to didn't -- incompetent president and you say that week after week after week and baker voted for him in 2016 and says he is going to vote him -- for him

host: who was behind the infamous willie horton ad?d by a third party political that was closely aligned with the republican party called national security pac. , the bushs taken off campaign immediately went on the air with a much more polished the wholeattacked furlough program in massachusetts and showed a revolving door, these people going in and out, look like in and out of the prison could it mentioned willie horton and he was not the only figure discussed in that spot. a lot of people confuse the two. they think the first spot was a bush advertisement. it was clearly some sort of either unspoken or spoken coordination between the campaigns because they were aligned. i think it is fair to say that it is worth pointing out that whole furlough program was first raised earlier in the year in the primaries in a debate in new york. al gore raised at first, and then republicans picked it up. that the republicans use imagery in their ad, didn't they? guest: that is one of those things that i always found a little curious. nancy reagan d

it will be seen as a black person being violent and it will provide a willie horton 2.0. a new image of a black person as a violent person and that could change everything. >> what can be done to counter the possibility? it sounds like you ecpect there will be violence. what can be done from the establishment and from people who are trying to make sure this doesn't happen? >> right. and i'm glad you asked because there's obviously a lot of tension and fear. i think you hear people talk about -- use words like civil war. we're not at a civil war. we have agency. and there's lot of things we can do. so, i want people to leave optimistically, because it is scary to have a president that promotes terrorism and violence. he's promoting a minority viewpoint in america. a small group of pathetic men who arm themselves for a cause that the president gives voice to. we are greater than them, we are lot more than them. we can support law enforcement, as well as mayors and governors, who are preparing for this. they are setting up command posts, getting the national guard prepared i

bush run an ad on the revolving door, alluding to the violent crimes of an african-american man willie horton and also to invoke a call to law and order. and that phrase has been used in our political history and in last week's debate, it's used as a dog whistle for racial resentment, the recent protests against police violence with lawlessness and disorder. and i want to be clear about the invocation of law and order is. it's not limited to any one political party so this is in no way a castigation of a single party and like the brennan center, the naacp legal defense fund is not partisan, and law and order has been used by republicans and democrats alike. it's often, if not always, tacitly referential of black people and other people of color and the perceived need for greater law enforcement against them. and we've had, you know, nearly four years that have followed that call for law and order and in that time it has become an increasingly fanatical appeal laden with nationalism and white supremacist overtones, frankly. the fact of the matter is law and order resumes a hierarchical racial

famously run an ad on the revolving door leading to the violent crimes of an african-american man willie horton, often to invoke a call for law and order so that phrase has been used throughout our political history and as we just saw in last week's debate , it's used as a dog whistle. it's used two full-length racial assessment by associating a recent protests against police violence lawlessness and disorder. and i just want to be clear about what the invocation of law and order is. it's not limited to any one political party so this is in no way i castigated of a single party. and like the brennan center,, the naacp is nonpartisan and does not endorse parties or candidates. and law and order has been used i would say abusively and the democrats and republicans alike but what i want to point out is that it is often if not always tacitly a referendum of black people and of other people of color and the perceived need for a greater law enforcement against them. and we've had you know, nearly 4 years and have followed that call for law and order in time, we have become a an increasingly fanatical