you know, what i'm thinking about these things, i speak about willie lynch, how to break a slave.light skin against the dark skin. still going on to this day. beauty standards. you remove the father from the family. auction block, prison block. and you set a cycle in motion that they can step back and they don't even have to keep breaking us because they set this cycle in motion and we're going to break each other down. you got kids that are coming out of that cycle. and they're rapping they're real life. i can't hold -- i can't hold it against them for saying what they know. now as a man, i know that i got to grow. and i can't be defined by society's pressures and ideas and notions of who i should be. that's me. so in that respect, as a man, you got to grow. but i can't say you are wrong for telling your perspective when it's the truth. >> it may not be wrong. but there is also a fine line. the fine line to my mind, vic, between -- a fine line between telling a story and not being preachy. telling a story that people can relate to and be empowered to and not being die tactic in t